Kirk Cousins (Traded to Vikings)

[Reno Hightower]

I have rarely seen a QB do more with less. Kubiak has made it clear that he is the guy this year but his play has really defied conventional wisdom. The run blocking is as putrid as it was last season. The pass blocking has been getting compliments but how much as that has to do with Cousins's pocket presence and pre snap reads?

I am not sure the subject deserves its own thread but I think what he has accomplished this season cannot be overstated and he has essentially put the offense on his back. I don't think anyone saw this coming.

Thoughts?...

[Attyla]

Giving up a 2nd round pick for a QB and winning the super bowl will get you a raise. And who's saying he's only a 1 year rental in Minnesota?

You were opposed to us signing him from the start, hell you and I both said he was crap. And now he is going to win a SB? I don't see that at all. I think he can not screw it up enough to get them to the playoffs and that is about it.

[BoKnows81]

I don't think they make it out of the first round with Cousins lol

They are 6-2 with you throwing the ball. They now have a guy that's 2nd in TDs, has a top 2 defense, a top 3 WR and a solid Oline.

I mean c'mon man, I been pushing for Doza to play since we drafted him but your logic isnt logic-ing.

[BoKnows81]

You were opposed to us signing him from the start, hell you and I both said he was crap. And now he is going to win a SB? I don't see that at all. I think he can not screw it up enough to get them to the playoffs and that is about it.

I absolutely was opposed to signing him. I admitted on here after my reinstatement that I was wrong on Kirk.

And im not necessarily saying he will win them the superbowl. Im saying NoThanks logic can be used the other way too. Thats all.

I am hyped it is Mendoza time. Doesn't mean I dont think we could of squeezed them for more.

[Steve007]

Really good QBs fail to live up to expectations all the time. I'm not saying he's bad, but you're assertion that he's going to win them a Superbowl is a stretch. I think that is what factored into his value. He's 1-4 in the playoffs, will be a 1 year rental, and Minnesota is going into the tough portion of their schedule. Giving up a 2nd for a guy like Cousins will get you fired.

I suggested he gives them a good shot at a Super Bowl. Maybe they lose in the 2nd round or the conference title game. Maybe they win it all. Nobody knows. But at least they have a realistic shot. If they don’t make the trade they have zero shot.

I don’t think a 5 game sample size in the playoffs means much. Trent Dilfer was 4-0 in the 2001 playoffs. He was still the worst qb in the playoffs that year. A lot also depends on the organization, teammates, matchups, luck, the opposition, etc.

Also, Cousins defenses gave up at least 24 points in all of those playoff losses. People say defense wins championships. Giving up that many points doesn’t win championships.

[DanKD]

The 10 million cap hit next year absolutely factored into his value. Thats very helpful if you spend it well.

[LayneStaley]

The 10 million cap hit next year absolutely factored into his value. Thats very helpful if you spend it well.

I’m guessing that 10 mil+ is going to Tucker. Very interested to see Tucker play with a QB that consistently find and hit him deep.

[DanKD]

It takes you from another jaelon nailor to resigning tucker

[Steve007]

You just compared Kirk Cousins to one of the greatest Quarterbacks of all time lol.

I compared him to an awful qb that never fully recovered from neck surgery and threw 9 td passes and 17 int’s in his final season. There’s a reason Manning retired when he did.

I didn’t compare him to Manning in his prime. Of course I wouldn’t do that lol.

[Cruisin with Tooz]

So what's the rationale for at least not getting a conditional upgraded pick??? If they get to a SB with Kirk, is that not worth at least a 2nd round pick. If it got them to the conference game, is that not at least worth the better 3rd round pick? Trade compensation isnt strictly dictated by the value of what's being traded. A lot depends upon the leverage each side has. Cousins still had value as a mentor to Mendoza for this last half of the season. LV had the leverage. Why seal the deal with 75 minutes remaining? If Minn doesnt budge, then you can still take that deal. Were getting basically a 4th round pick. I dont see how thats adequate for giving a team a fighters chance of getting to the playoffs and beyond.

[Rainman56]

A 3rd rounder for noodle arm Cousins,wow...Good deal Spytek,Vikes must really be desperate.Unfortunately for them Cousins ain't gonna get them anywhere.Thank you Vikings!!!

[erickench]

This was uncalled for. How do they expect a rookie QB to hold his own with a non-existent running game?

[NoThanksSir]

They are 6-2 with you throwing the ball. They now have a guy that's 2nd in TDs, has a top 2 defense, a top 3 WR and a solid Oline.

I mean c'mon man, I been pushing for Doza to play since we drafted him but you're logic isnt logic-ing.

Stacked division, they have a tough schedule to end the season. They might be a wildcard playing a tough matchup in the first round. There is plenty of logic to my position

[NoClapsPlease]

Hey I must admit, Kirk was balling. I was against him coming here, but that was based on the falcons version of him, not the Vikings version of him.

Itll be kinda dope to see him finally win a playoff game after the year he’s had. Hopefully that scheme in Minnesota translates and it’s just a plug and play situation for him.

[Rabidraider]

[RunOverByHubbard]

CBS gives a grade B- to the Vikings but an A to the Raiders:

Raiders: A

If you told a Raiders fan before the season that Mendoza would make his first start in Week 10, they'd probably say that's about right. If you told them he'd start because the Raiders got a top-100 pick for Cousins, they'd be very happy with that outcome.

Cousins well exceeded the mere placeholder role he was given. He played well and, at times, very well. He kept an offense that's very much in the early building stage moving — the Raiders are eighth in points per drive this season. He did this all alongside one of the league's worst running games and worst/youngest wide receiver corps. He leaned on Brock Bowers, who looks like a superstar once again, and fellow tight end Michael Mayer. The Raiders went 4-5 under Cousins and were competitive in several losses. This was a 99th-percentile outcome.

Now, it's Mendoza's turn. It's a little bit tough to drop him into the starting role in these circumstances — not knowing he's starting until Tuesday, and facing Seattle's ferocious defense — but that will be of little matter in the long haul. Kubiak did a great job with Cousins, and the fruits of his labor are a valuable draft pick as Las Vegas continues its build. Strong work all around.