Fire Pete Carroll

[RenoRaiders75]

I didn't see a thread yet, I wanted Pete to be able to stay a few years to rebuild us back, but it is clear to me that he is clueless on how to fix what is broken. We have made the same mistakes every week, with no corrections. He has to go! Thoughts?

[nitroraider]

I’ll be honest—I was initially on board with the Pete Carroll hire. But at this point, his stubbornness, nepotism, and reliance on favored players have crossed from frustrating into outright incompetence. He came in clearly committed to a win-now approach, which was defensible early in the season. But once it became obvious this roster wasn’t ready, a coach who truly wanted a future with this organization needed to adapt. He never did.

It starts with his son and the offensive line. The staff took essentially the same personnel, shuffled positions, and somehow turned a middle-of-the-pack unit into the worst offensive line in football. That’s inexcusable. A coach’s job isn’t just to maximize talent—it’s to develop it. Whatever the JPJ situation is, it’s unacceptable. You can blame talent all you want, but last year this same group was mediocre. This year they’re dead last. Same players, worse results. The tape backs it up. It’s bad.

Defensively, Patrick Graham is the biggest victim of this regime. He’s a legitimately good coordinator who has consistently managed to get mediocre results regardless of talent level. This year, though, there’s been a clear drop-off—and that’s not because Graham forgot how to coach. It’s because of Pete’s influence. We’re running Cover 3 at one of the highest rates in the league. Cover 3 still has a place in today’s NFL—but only if you have the personnel to run it. We don’t. Not even close. If Graham had been allowed to stick with his system, the defense still wouldn’t be great, but it would at least be respectable. Instead, he’ll likely be gone when this regime turns over, despite not being the real problem.

There are schematic issues everywhere. This isn’t about Carroll suddenly forgetting how to coach. It’s about a 70-plus-year-old coach believing he could force his way to wins using an outdated, inflexible philosophy. Add nepotism and favoritism to the mix, and this was never going to work long-term.

Yes, the roster still lacks talent—but with proper coaching and adaptation, this team could realistically be a 6–7 win group and far more competitive week to week. In a strange way, Carroll’s stubborn win-now mentality may have done the Raiders a favor by exposing how broken this approach really is. This ship was never going to be right with such an old-school mindset.

The biggest concern isn’t Pete Carroll anymore—it’s the next hire. The Raiders have to finally get this right, and that starts with the front office. Until that’s fixed, nothing else will.

You my friend are on point.
Great football knowledge and analysis.
Couldn't agree more.

[Sold My Soul]

Do you actually have evidence that Brady has full say in all operations or are you just having a BDS tantrum?

Been reported by people inside and outside the organization that Brady has input on the hires. How the hell else do you think Spy got the job?

[erickench]

If they fire Pete it'll be because he appointed his son to be the O-line coach.

[KillerRaider30]

Pete knows what hes doing

[Opoponax50]

If they fire Pete it'll be because he appointed his son to be the O-line coach.

I honestly don't know how the organization didn't tell him no on that decision. I'd say to fire whoever allowed Pete to hire his kid, but The Thumb isn't going to fire himself.

[Oaktownonly]

Jeanty has to be giving Brennon a big f[raiders_icon]ck you for anything he tries to tell him as run game coordinator.

[RickRyb]

Let the head coach hire the coordinators. Tell the head coach who he can and can't hire. LOL

[Oaktownonly]

Let the head coach hire the coordinators. Tell the head coach who he can and can't hire. LOL

I believe the coach should hire his coordinators but if theyre not doing the job, especially as bad as the o-line has been, then he has to get rid of them. If your going to hire your son then you have to be prepared to fire him also.

[RickRyb]

I believe the coach should hire his coordinators but if theyre not doing the job, especially as bad as the o-line has been, then he has to get rid of them. If your going to hire your son then you have to be prepared to fire him also.

Agree 100%

[raidersince63]

I’ll be honest—I was initially on board with the Pete Carroll hire. But at this point, his stubbornness, nepotism, and reliance on favored players have crossed from frustrating into outright incompetence. He came in clearly committed to a win-now approach, which was defensible early in the season. But once it became obvious this roster wasn’t ready, a coach who truly wanted a future with this organization needed to adapt. He never did.

It starts with his son and the offensive line. The staff took essentially the same personnel, shuffled positions, and somehow turned a middle-of-the-pack unit into the worst offensive line in football. That’s inexcusable. A coach’s job isn’t just to maximize talent—it’s to develop it. Whatever the JPJ situation is, it’s unacceptable. You can blame talent all you want, but last year this same group was mediocre. This year they’re dead last. Same players, worse results. The tape backs it up. It’s bad.

Defensively, Patrick Graham is the biggest victim of this regime. He’s a legitimately good coordinator who has consistently managed to get mediocre results regardless of talent level. This year, though, there’s been a clear drop-off—and that’s not because Graham forgot how to coach. It’s because of Pete’s influence. We’re running Cover 3 at one of the highest rates in the league. Cover 3 still has a place in today’s NFL—but only if you have the personnel to run it. We don’t. Not even close. If Graham had been allowed to stick with his system, the defense still wouldn’t be great, but it would at least be respectable. Instead, he’ll likely be gone when this regime turns over, despite not being the real problem.

There are schematic issues everywhere. This isn’t about Carroll suddenly forgetting how to coach. It’s about a 70-plus-year-old coach believing he could force his way to wins using an outdated, inflexible philosophy. Add nepotism and favoritism to the mix, and this was never going to work long-term.

Yes, the roster still lacks talent—but with proper coaching and adaptation, this team could realistically be a 6–7 win group and far more competitive week to week. In a strange way, Carroll’s stubborn win-now mentality may have done the Raiders a favor by exposing how broken this approach really is. This ship was never going to be right with such an old-school mindset.

The biggest concern isn’t Pete Carroll anymore—it’s the next hire. The Raiders have to finally get this right, and that starts with the front office. Until that’s fixed, nothing else will.

Kudos...one of the better posts I've read in awhile.

[Xramfan]

Been reported by people inside and outside the organization that Brady has input on the hires. How the hell else do you think Spy got the job?

That tells me nothing. How much "input"? I know you hate him as much as you love Gruden and the turd but you sound like Brady is the end all be all of every decision made. None of us have any clue how much influence he may or may not have.

[RaiderandBulldog]

[Attyla]

Been reported by people inside and outside the organization that Brady has input on the hires. How the hell else do you think Spy got the job?

And? Owners often add input, that does not equate to decision maker.

[Viper]

I’ll be honest—I was initially on board with the Pete Carroll hire. But at this point, his stubbornness, nepotism, and reliance on favored players have crossed from frustrating into outright incompetence. He came in clearly committed to a win-now approach, which was defensible early in the season. But once it became obvious this roster wasn’t ready, a coach who truly wanted a future with this organization needed to adapt. He never did.

It starts with his son and the offensive line. The staff took essentially the same personnel, shuffled positions, and somehow turned a middle-of-the-pack unit into the worst offensive line in football. That’s inexcusable. A coach’s job isn’t just to maximize talent—it’s to develop it. Whatever the JPJ situation is, it’s unacceptable. You can blame talent all you want, but last year this same group was mediocre. This year they’re dead last. Same players, worse results. The tape backs it up. It’s bad.

Defensively, Patrick Graham is the biggest victim of this regime. He’s a legitimately good coordinator who has consistently managed to get mediocre results regardless of talent level. This year, though, there’s been a clear drop-off—and that’s not because Graham forgot how to coach. It’s because of Pete’s influence. We’re running Cover 3 at one of the highest rates in the league. Cover 3 still has a place in today’s NFL—but only if you have the personnel to run it. We don’t. Not even close. If Graham had been allowed to stick with his system, the defense still wouldn’t be great, but it would at least be respectable. Instead, he’ll likely be gone when this regime turns over, despite not being the real problem.

There are schematic issues everywhere. This isn’t about Carroll suddenly forgetting how to coach. It’s about a 70-plus-year-old coach believing he could force his way to wins using an outdated, inflexible philosophy. Add nepotism and favoritism to the mix, and this was never going to work long-term.

Yes, the roster still lacks talent—but with proper coaching and adaptation, this team could realistically be a 6–7 win group and far more competitive week to week. In a strange way, Carroll’s stubborn win-now mentality may have done the Raiders a favor by exposing how broken this approach really is. This ship was never going to be right with such an old-school mindset.

The biggest concern isn’t Pete Carroll anymore—it’s the next hire. The Raiders have to finally get this right, and that starts with the front office. Until that’s fixed, nothing else will.

Find time to post more please

[Attyla]

While the product on the field is bad, yesterday we saw how exposed our secondary is, and that it will not be an easy fix, there is also the front office that continues to confound.

We tend to forget the mass exodus of front office people and flat out reports of a hostile workplace. We forget that the very people who built the stadium ran for the doors. The number of finance personnel who "found other jobs" and the HR issues that were exposed. The front office became a turnstile for people to run away from the building. Add to that the number of times the front office simply decided to step in on decision making and hamstrung the GM in hiring decisions. Del Rio was not hired by McKenzie, that was Davis. Gruden was hired skirting the Rooney rule and without so much as a consult with McKenzie. And Gruden was given all the GM powers. McKenzie became a glorified yes man. Then he was let go and they brought in Mayock who had not real job since Gruden was pulling all the strings. Then Davis hired the next GM/HC combo. And even after that Davis fired everyone and hired Pierce. I am not even clear that Davis did not hire Carroll.

And we wonder why the product stinks on the field. We blame Carroll and rightfully so, but we somehow miss the target at the same time. This is not a coaching issue that can be fixed by getting the right coach. This is an organizational issue. Period. And it starts at the top. We do not get this fixed until the guy running the show gets completely out of the way. Let him go play owner of the WNBA team and leave the NFL to NFL people.