Emo Andy Dalton after a trip to Sephora on Groundhog Day (Carr thread)
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Raiders redzone efficiency:
2021 ranked 29th
2020 ranked 23rd
2019 ranked 22nd
2018 ranked 22nd
2017 ranked 8th
2016 ranked 13th
2015 ranked 8th
2014 ranked 1st
It seems Derek Carr regressed in the redzone throughout the years, was it Gruden's playbook? Under Gruden, Carr's completion percentage and passing yards went up, but the redzone efficiency went way down.
2021 ranked 29th
2020 ranked 23rd
2019 ranked 22nd
2018 ranked 22nd
2017 ranked 8th
2016 ranked 13th
2015 ranked 8th
2014 ranked 1st
It seems Derek Carr regressed in the redzone throughout the years, was it Gruden's playbook? Under Gruden, Carr's completion percentage and passing yards went up, but the redzone efficiency went way down.
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Jeremyturner1976
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You were looking at Raider's redzone efficiency. The stats you posted included the running backs - this is Derek:
https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshDubowAP/ ... SA4pMpAAAA
He has never been good when the field shrinks and he was 1 for 8 within the 10 yard line in his playoff choke. Once the yards start to matter he can't get them anymore.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshDubowAP/ ... SA4pMpAAAA
He has never been good when the field shrinks and he was 1 for 8 within the 10 yard line in his playoff choke. Once the yards start to matter he can't get them anymore.
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[quote=Jeremyturner1976 post_id=1043472]You were looking at Raider's redzone efficiency. This is Derek:
https://twitter.com/JoshDubowAP/status/ ... SA4pMpAAAA[/quote]The Raiders were running the ball more for td's in the redzone before Gruden is my guess.
Raiders would have been more successful putting Mariota in when the Raiders were in the redzone this past season imo. Mariota was very successful in the redzone when he played for Tennessee.
https://twitter.com/JoshDubowAP/status/ ... SA4pMpAAAA[/quote]The Raiders were running the ball more for td's in the redzone before Gruden is my guess.
Raiders would have been more successful putting Mariota in when the Raiders were in the redzone this past season imo. Mariota was very successful in the redzone when he played for Tennessee.
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[quote=Raider727 post_id=1043473]The Raiders were running the ball more for td's in the redzone before Gruden is my guess.
Raiders would have been more successful putting Mariota in when the Raiders were in the redzone this past season imo. Mariota was very successful in the redzone when he played for Tennessee.[/quote]Raiders wasted a season of Marcus, I hope he find a good team to be on next season.
Raiders would have been more successful putting Mariota in when the Raiders were in the redzone this past season imo. Mariota was very successful in the redzone when he played for Tennessee.[/quote]Raiders wasted a season of Marcus, I hope he find a good team to be on next season.
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[quote=deathstar post_id=1043476]Raiders wasted a season of Marcus, I hope he find a good team to be on next season.[/quote]That's one thing I disliked from Bissacia. He seemed very loyal to Carr or maybe it was Olson, but the Raiders should have gave Mariota more playing time.
Putting Mariota in with Carr lined up as receiver was pathetic. Maybe the reason was to not break Carr's ego by taking him out?
The 2 blowout losses vs the chiefs, why was Carr not benched when the game was out of reach, to give Mariota a look?
Putting Mariota in with Carr lined up as receiver was pathetic. Maybe the reason was to not break Carr's ego by taking him out?
The 2 blowout losses vs the chiefs, why was Carr not benched when the game was out of reach, to give Mariota a look?
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[quote=deathstar post_id=1043476]Raiders wasted a season of Marcus, I hope he find a good team to be on next season.[/quote]I worry about his shoulder more than most. He did have that solid half for us but I am not sure he is healthy enough for 35 attempts a game.
I have no idea in reality, but that is what I feel kept him off the field. When he left the Titans there were rumors that his shoulder was shot.
He does have problems staying on the field also, but we definitely should have used him more.
I hope I am wrong on all accounts and he does get another shot at it like you said. He is a wonderful teammate from all I have seen both from us and the Titans. Mr. Professional.
I have no idea in reality, but that is what I feel kept him off the field. When he left the Titans there were rumors that his shoulder was shot.
He does have problems staying on the field also, but we definitely should have used him more.
I hope I am wrong on all accounts and he does get another shot at it like you said. He is a wonderful teammate from all I have seen both from us and the Titans. Mr. Professional.
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[quote=Raider727 post_id=1043443]Mac Jones had 521 passing attempts, 22 td passes, 13 interceptions and 7 fumbles.
Derek Carr had 624 passing attempts, 23 td passes, 14 interceptions and 13 fumbles.
104 more pass attempts will help with the passing yards part. The problem is that 104 more pass attempts equaled only 1 more passing td.[/quote]Plus 1 interception and 6 fumbles less for Mac. Honestly these two in statlines are incredibly close. Turnovers are killers.
Good spot and good call out Willmark. Anyone want to take a bet which one is better next year? Knowing what I know about Carr in a new system, Mac outplays Carr next year is my guess.
Derek Carr had 624 passing attempts, 23 td passes, 14 interceptions and 13 fumbles.
104 more pass attempts will help with the passing yards part. The problem is that 104 more pass attempts equaled only 1 more passing td.[/quote]Plus 1 interception and 6 fumbles less for Mac. Honestly these two in statlines are incredibly close. Turnovers are killers.
Good spot and good call out Willmark. Anyone want to take a bet which one is better next year? Knowing what I know about Carr in a new system, Mac outplays Carr next year is my guess.
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Carr has not improved in an eternity. It is the same ole same ole year after year. We all know his deficiencies. Most of this is correctable and I have hope every season that most has been corrected. I am tired of the disappointment. I hope our next coach does not have unrealistic goals concerning his game because we can not waste the time. Part of me wants to see what a new staff can do and what Carr looks like coming out of the laboratory. However, reality is a mother f[raiders_icon]cker and I do not expect anything. Having him continue to hold the reigns because our hideous track record with QB's is no longer an excuse going forward. I honestly like Carr but the fact remains that the longer we don't fix it, the worse the pain will be.
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[quote=deathstar post_id=1043476]Raiders wasted a season of Marcus, I hope he find a good team to be on next season.[/quote]Trade Carr, promote Mariota. Discuss......
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[quote=Jeremyturner1976 post_id=1043481]Plus 1 interception and 6 fumbles less for Mac. Honestly these two in statlines are incredibly close. Turnovers are killers.
Good spot and good call out Willmark. Anyone want to take a bet which one is better next year? Knowing what I know about Carr in a new system, Mac outplays Carr next year is my guess.[/quote]Thanks.
Also good analysis everyone pro or con as even with stats, some of it is throw it against the wall and see what sticks. It’s also refreshing to see thoughtful discussion on the matter.
Good spot and good call out Willmark. Anyone want to take a bet which one is better next year? Knowing what I know about Carr in a new system, Mac outplays Carr next year is my guess.[/quote]Thanks.
Also good analysis everyone pro or con as even with stats, some of it is throw it against the wall and see what sticks. It’s also refreshing to see thoughtful discussion on the matter.
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[quote=Jeremyturner1976 post_id=1043481]Plus 1 interception and 6 fumbles less for Mac. Honestly these two in statlines are incredibly close. Turnovers are killers.
Good spot and good call out Willmark. Anyone want to take a bet which one is better next year? Knowing what I know about Carr in a new system, Mac outplays Carr next year is my guess.[/quote]Trying to gauge a player's performance with these stats is virtually impossible. There are far too many variables - what if AB played (and behaved), what about injuries (Incognito, Waller....), poor driving (Ruggs), poor refereeing (NFL hate), poor weather conditions, Etc. etc. How many times have we seen a receiver have the ball knocked out when he should have retained it.....
If it was relatively easy to compare performance the game would be boring. Who expected the Buccs and Packers to lose last week?
Good spot and good call out Willmark. Anyone want to take a bet which one is better next year? Knowing what I know about Carr in a new system, Mac outplays Carr next year is my guess.[/quote]Trying to gauge a player's performance with these stats is virtually impossible. There are far too many variables - what if AB played (and behaved), what about injuries (Incognito, Waller....), poor driving (Ruggs), poor refereeing (NFL hate), poor weather conditions, Etc. etc. How many times have we seen a receiver have the ball knocked out when he should have retained it.....
If it was relatively easy to compare performance the game would be boring. Who expected the Buccs and Packers to lose last week?
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[quote=The Welshman post_id=1043488]Trying to gauge a player's performance with these stats is virtually impossible. There are far too many variables - what if AB played (and behaved), what about injuries (Incognito, Waller....), poor driving (Ruggs), poor refereeing (NFL hate), poor weather conditions, Etc. etc. How many times have we seen a receiver have the ball knocked out when he should have retained it.....
If it was relatively easy to compare performance the game would be boring. Who expected the Buccs and Packers to lose last week?[/quote]We are not looking for 1:1 though. It was just answering the question of Carr being replacable with a rookie contract QB.
Mac at 9 million and Carr at 20, I take Carr. Mac at 9 and Carr at 35, I take Mac.
Of course, it is all guesswork and I trust it does not matter either way, apparently Mark is running a bed and breakfast for Carr. The new coach is getting forced into that. I have never known Attyla to be insincere.
If it was relatively easy to compare performance the game would be boring. Who expected the Buccs and Packers to lose last week?[/quote]We are not looking for 1:1 though. It was just answering the question of Carr being replacable with a rookie contract QB.
Mac at 9 million and Carr at 20, I take Carr. Mac at 9 and Carr at 35, I take Mac.
Of course, it is all guesswork and I trust it does not matter either way, apparently Mark is running a bed and breakfast for Carr. The new coach is getting forced into that. I have never known Attyla to be insincere.
[quote=Tatum32 post_id=1043387]David Carr says Derek may leave Raiders, Carr family wants a trade
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OQE-vjcAukA[/quote]God we can only hope so. Most of that was David’s words but one thing to me stood out. Derek talked about retiring after Gruden was forced out? Ship his mediocre ass out of here because his heart clearly isn’t in it either.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OQE-vjcAukA[/quote]God we can only hope so. Most of that was David’s words but one thing to me stood out. Derek talked about retiring after Gruden was forced out? Ship his mediocre ass out of here because his heart clearly isn’t in it either.
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the Texans drafted David Carr with the 1st overall pick on 420. The Texans must've been high
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the Texans drafted David Carr with the 1st overall pick on 420. The Texans must've been high
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[quote=Jeremyturner1976 post_id=1043468]Aesome breakdown man, I agree they are not equal, but Mac + 26 million on the team is far better than Carr was all I said.
Carr did take 100 more attempts to even get the yards he did, if yards are all we are looking at. I am more into TDs, turnovers, TD%, Int% myself. The things that actually affect a win loss rate and those are even up or close enough to it. Yards mean very very little, there is not a more empty stat. Bortles had a 4500 yard season.
Again as well, this was four years in the same system Carr compared to a second year starter. Mac will improve next year - Carr will regress. I guarantee that.
If we are going to drag average to the playoffs, we better put a hell of a team around that guy. Mac is 9 million next year and 5 the year after. The Patriots have two years to sort the next starter if they need to, while having a ton of cap to find and keep the right free agents to make a run, and I would much rather be in their shoes.[/quote]Mac is a rookie this year
Carr did take 100 more attempts to even get the yards he did, if yards are all we are looking at. I am more into TDs, turnovers, TD%, Int% myself. The things that actually affect a win loss rate and those are even up or close enough to it. Yards mean very very little, there is not a more empty stat. Bortles had a 4500 yard season.
Again as well, this was four years in the same system Carr compared to a second year starter. Mac will improve next year - Carr will regress. I guarantee that.
If we are going to drag average to the playoffs, we better put a hell of a team around that guy. Mac is 9 million next year and 5 the year after. The Patriots have two years to sort the next starter if they need to, while having a ton of cap to find and keep the right free agents to make a run, and I would much rather be in their shoes.[/quote]Mac is a rookie this year