Emo Andy Dalton after a trip to Sephora on Groundhog Day (Carr thread)
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RaiderandBulldog
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KennyPowers
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[quote=GoodTimeCharlie post_id=1042089]I couldn’t come close to even attempting a comparison between Brady and Carr without feeling wholly ridiculous. I guess I’d have to try starting at the very very basics. Somewhere before “They both play in the NFL”. Or, “They both play the same position”. Somewhere in the neighborhood of, “They both breathe oxygen”, would be my starting point I think.[/quote]No comparison with the 21 other starters. Same argument can be made. Raiders players get a paycheck from an NFL team too. maybe one Raider starts for the Bucs. No comparison between the teams.
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Sold My Soul
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[quote=Jeremyturner1976 post_id=1042126]For sure, but much like '18 - we should trade for future picks and go in on the '23 class. Hell even wait for '24. We are not within two years of our window.
Carr at 20 was a huge failure, Carr at 35 is not going to be better...
Better yet, build a team then trade for a guy like Stafford.[/quote]Can't argue with what you say at all...but if DC decides not to ask for for bank, and considering where we draft...why not bring him back for another year and draft/FA an O-Line for a QB of the future?
Carr at 20 was a huge failure, Carr at 35 is not going to be better...
Better yet, build a team then trade for a guy like Stafford.[/quote]Can't argue with what you say at all...but if DC decides not to ask for for bank, and considering where we draft...why not bring him back for another year and draft/FA an O-Line for a QB of the future?
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Jeremyturner1976
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[quote=Raiderfanrich post_id=1042153]What if you could get Russell Wilson? Yay or nay?[/quote]I don't believe we are good enough to make it matter.
SuperBowl winners are HOF (or future HOF) QBs 8 times out of 10. The team around them generally decides who wins and a top 10 defense and offense is the minimum buy in.
We have seen Wilson with a team at our talent level and it is not enough. We have a ton of cap already spent on poor picks - we have to fix what Gruden broke first.
We won 10 games, but went 7-2 in close games. We were a lucky bounce .500 squad, that is just the reality. So many of our playmakers are either in their final contract year or already free agents.
We are in rebuild mode whether others admit it or not.
SuperBowl winners are HOF (or future HOF) QBs 8 times out of 10. The team around them generally decides who wins and a top 10 defense and offense is the minimum buy in.
We have seen Wilson with a team at our talent level and it is not enough. We have a ton of cap already spent on poor picks - we have to fix what Gruden broke first.
We won 10 games, but went 7-2 in close games. We were a lucky bounce .500 squad, that is just the reality. So many of our playmakers are either in their final contract year or already free agents.
We are in rebuild mode whether others admit it or not.
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silver_ghost
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[quote=Jeremyturner1976 post_id=1042160]I don't believe we are good enough to make it matter.
SuperBowl winners are HOF (or future HOF) QBs 8 times out of 10. The team around them generally decides who wins and a top 10 defense and offense is the minimum buy in.
We have seen Wilson with a team at our talent level and it is not enough. We have a ton of cap already spent on poor picks - we have to fix what Gruden broke first.
We won 10 games, but went 7-2 in close games. We were a lucky bounce .500 squad, that is just the reality. So many of our playmakers are either in their final contract year or already free agents.
We are in rebuild mode whether others admit it ir not.[/quote]I disagree. This team with Justin Herbert or Pat Mahomes at QB is easily a 10 wins team again.
SuperBowl winners are HOF (or future HOF) QBs 8 times out of 10. The team around them generally decides who wins and a top 10 defense and offense is the minimum buy in.
We have seen Wilson with a team at our talent level and it is not enough. We have a ton of cap already spent on poor picks - we have to fix what Gruden broke first.
We won 10 games, but went 7-2 in close games. We were a lucky bounce .500 squad, that is just the reality. So many of our playmakers are either in their final contract year or already free agents.
We are in rebuild mode whether others admit it ir not.[/quote]I disagree. This team with Justin Herbert or Pat Mahomes at QB is easily a 10 wins team again.
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Jeremyturner1976
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[quote=billy piton post_id=1042154]you cant convince me that you cant win with carr at 35m when you have win 10 games with almost 30m of actual dead money plus a lot of other dead weight (nassib, ferrell, littleton kwit etc). when we get into the situation that we cant extend above average players on other positions i'd gladly say cut carr and bring in a cheap rookie.[/quote]No QB in the history of the NFL has ever won a SuperBowl at or over 15% of the cap. Every elite QB included.
Ever.
Do you need further proof?
Ever.
Do you need further proof?
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Willmark
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[quote=silver_ghost post_id=1042163]I disagree. This team with Justin Herbert or Pat Mahomes at QB is easily a 10 wins team again.[/quote]You’re forgetting Herbert sucks and Mahomes is just lucky. /s
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Jeremyturner1976
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[quote=silver_ghost post_id=1042163]I disagree. This team with Justin Herbert or Pat Mahomes at QB is easily a 10 wins team again.[/quote]Sure, but are we a SuperBowl contender - or just another one and done forgettable squad? Herbert at his rookie cost though... yeah I can see that. Wilson at 40+ though, we only win 12 imo and same early exit.
26th ranked defenses don't win many SuperBowls. We have to fix that first. We are a long ways out.
26th ranked defenses don't win many SuperBowls. We have to fix that first. We are a long ways out.
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Jeremyturner1976
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[quote=Sold My Soul post_id=1042158]Can't argue with what you say at all...but if DC decides not to ask for for bank, and considering where we draft...why not bring him back for another year and draft/FA an O-Line for a QB of the future?[/quote]At 20, I sign Carr all day, every day (2-3 years).
I even franchise him for a year if noone looks draftworthy and he won't sign.
At 35 million it does not leave enough meat on the bone compared to a rookie or a placeholder and additional picks. Moving on at that cost is better for the team in my opinion.
8-10 win seasons kill our odds at a real difference maker. It is not a good thing.
I even franchise him for a year if noone looks draftworthy and he won't sign.
At 35 million it does not leave enough meat on the bone compared to a rookie or a placeholder and additional picks. Moving on at that cost is better for the team in my opinion.
8-10 win seasons kill our odds at a real difference maker. It is not a good thing.
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GoodTimeCharlie
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I wouldn’t want Carr at a steep discount. His cowardice needs to be removed from the team like a festering hemorrhoid from Rex Ryan’s ass.
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raiders1988xyz
and that's why mahomes and allen are a winner
they can pass and run unlike carr
they can pass and run unlike carr
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[quote=Jeremyturner1976 post_id=1042177]At 20, I sign Carr all day, every day (2-3 years).
I even franchise him for a year if noone looks draftworthy and he won't sign.
At 35 million it does not leave enough meat on the bone compared to a rookie or a placeholder and additional picks. Moving on at that cost is better for the team in my opinion.
8-10 win seasons kill our odds at a real difference maker. It is not a good thing.[/quote]Don't think he'd even ask for 35. He knows Raiders won't pay. He is on record as saying he want's to be a Raider for life. We lost our chance for drafting an elite years ago when we were drafting top 10 all those years. It is what it is at this point. Build on this team. Now that MM is gone we can only hope no more 1st and 2nd round picks will be squandered.
I even franchise him for a year if noone looks draftworthy and he won't sign.
At 35 million it does not leave enough meat on the bone compared to a rookie or a placeholder and additional picks. Moving on at that cost is better for the team in my opinion.
8-10 win seasons kill our odds at a real difference maker. It is not a good thing.[/quote]Don't think he'd even ask for 35. He knows Raiders won't pay. He is on record as saying he want's to be a Raider for life. We lost our chance for drafting an elite years ago when we were drafting top 10 all those years. It is what it is at this point. Build on this team. Now that MM is gone we can only hope no more 1st and 2nd round picks will be squandered.
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GoodTimeCharlie
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[quote=raiders1988xyz post_id=1042185]and that's why mahomes and allen are a winner
they can pass and run unlike carr[/quote]There’s also that whole pesky hold onto the ball thing they do.
they can pass and run unlike carr[/quote]There’s also that whole pesky hold onto the ball thing they do.
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[quote=Sold My Soul post_id=1042187]Don't think he'd even ask for 35. He knows Raiders won't pay. He is on record as saying he want's to be a Raider for life. We lost our chance for drafting an elite years ago when we were drafting top 10 all those years. It is what it is at this point. Build on this team. Now that MM is gone we can only hope no more 1st and 2nd round picks will be squandered.[/quote]Look at the crazy QB contracts out there. I think he gets at least 35. I don't want to give it to him but that's where he is at in the QB market. I would let him play out his contract unless someone overpays in a trade.
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Jeremyturner1976
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[quote=GoodTimeCharlie post_id=1042183]I wouldn’t want Carr at a steep discount. His cowardice needs to be removed from the team like a festering hemorrhoid from Rex Ryan’s ass.[/quote]Oh, I would love to see him gone, just to break the curse, but there is a breakpoint where he brings more value than his cost and that is it.
25th ranked rookie + 2 picks (1st and 2nd) + 15 million
verses
15th ranked veteran
Pretty close to even imo. Just don't Dak the damn dude. 35 million is all in.
25th ranked rookie + 2 picks (1st and 2nd) + 30 million
verses
15th ranked veteran
Not even close.
25th ranked rookie + 2 picks (1st and 2nd) + 15 million
verses
15th ranked veteran
Pretty close to even imo. Just don't Dak the damn dude. 35 million is all in.
25th ranked rookie + 2 picks (1st and 2nd) + 30 million
verses
15th ranked veteran
Not even close.
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[quote=FLORIDARAYDAH post_id=1042192]Look at the crazy QB contracts out there. I think he gets at least 35. I don't want to give it to him but that's where he is at in the QB market. I would let him play out his contract unless someone overpays in a trade.[/quote]I'd hand the starting gig over to Marriota for 20 then and tell DC to walk.