He's back! Maxx Crosby merged superthread

[Corleone]

Tank is full speed ahead!

[Hellbound]

Crosby trade announced by 1pm tomorrow

One of these days you might be right!

[LayneStaley]

[Coach dd 11]

#25 isn't great sorry!


Now, you want to do #25, #60 and next years 1st Round maybe!
Or #25, next years 1st and 3rd and Darnell Wright!

[LayneStaley]

#25 isn't great sorry!


Now, you want to do #25, #60 and next years 1st Round maybe!
Or #25, next years 1st and 3rd and Darnell Wright!

I’m confused, are you asking me personally if I want to do that? I’m just posting what is being reported.

[DanKD]

One of these days you might be right!

I'm sticking with it. I think its highly likely he is traded by Monday at this point.

[SkullCrusher]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. As crazy as it sounds, the ONLY way I bring Trey here is if we keep Maxx. Make DE an absolute force. In no way am I replacing Maxx for Trey in any way shape or form.

If this were true and we could afford it, then imo that is the move:
"Make DE an absolute force."

We have to assume we will do a good job at addressing the Oline only an idiot wouldn't, so imo the next thing is the DL.
So we go QB/OL/DL in one year, then we should see amazing progress.

[raiders93]

If this were true and we could afford it, then imo that is the move:
"Make DE an absolute force."

We have to assume we will do a good job at addressing the Oline only an idiot wouldn't, so imo the next thing is the DL.
So we go QB/OL/DL in one year, then we should see amazing progress.

I think we almost have to do something if we trade Maxx. This defence absent Maxx is easily the ugliest unit in the league and probably by a decent margin. Like even if Mendoza is a stud right away… we’re basically the bengals. Except we don’t have the receivers they have

[DanKD]

I think we almost have to do something if we trade Maxx. This defence absent Maxx is easily the ugliest unit in the league and probably by a decent margin. Like even if Mendoza is a stud right away… we’re basically the bengals. Except we don’t have the receivers they have

Maxx is a great player but lets be real, the defense didn't look substantially different the games he hasnt played. This isnt a knock on Maxx but on defense no single player has a game changing impact. A good system with solid players from top to bottom will be much more successful and that will probably takes at least two years

[Coach dd 11]

I’m confused, are you asking me personally if I want to do that? I’m just posting what is being reported.

No, I'm sorry about that...just posted off of that. My bad!

[SkullCrusher]

Maxx is a great player but lets be real, the defense didn't look substantially different the games he hasnt played. This isnt a knock on Maxx but one defense no single player has a game changing impact. A good system with solid players from top to bottom will be much more successful and that will probably takes at least two years

I can follow that, but lets go the other way.

You have Maxx and you add another stud to the DL, does that make a lot better on the DL?
If not, how about two more really great players, that's 3 studs on the DL, now we're becoming elite.
But it you get rid of Maxx that means we need to replace him plus still getting the others.

Goal dominate OL and DL, removing Maxx takes a step backwards in the short term getting there.

[DanKD]

I can follow that, but lets go the other way.

You have Maxx and you add another stud to the DL, does that make a lot better on the DL?
If not, how about two more really great players, that's 3 studs on the DL, now we're becoming elite.
But it you get rid of Maxx that means we need to replace him plus still getting the others.

Goal dominate OL and DL, removing Maxx takes a step backwards in the short term getting there.

Well of course trading Maxx is a negative short term decision. I do think with proper coaching and development two first round picks and the cap room will do more to building a good defense over the next 2-3 years.

[Coach dd 11]

I can follow that, but lets go the other way.

You have Maxx and you add another stud to the DL, does that make a lot better on the DL?
If not, how about two more really great players, that's 3 studs on the DL, now we're becoming elite.
But it you get rid of Maxx that means we need to replace him plus still getting the others.

Goal dominate OL and DL, removing Maxx takes a step backwards in the short term getting there.

I'd agree with that to an extent...if you trade Maxx but flip that into 3 - 5 other really good defensive players...isn't that better?
I'm not saying it is right or the best route but it is a clear path to get better and be good in the long term. IMO

[DanKD]

And this isn't mean to be anti Maxx. For a team who already has a system and defense in place, adding Maxx could be a superbowl winning move, he is a great player. But I do think two first round picks and the money help us more based on where we are with a defense almost completely devoid of talent.

[SkullCrusher]

I'd agree with that to an extent...if you trade Maxx but flip that into 3 - 5 other really good defensive players...isn't that better?
I'm not saying it is right or the best route but it is a clear path to get better and be good in the long term. IMO

Sure but that is an "if". But we still are down one top notch player on D immediately that doesn't have all that much.

What I'm leaning on is the coach has a way about him to get the players to play at potential and be all in, that has a large value itself.

[Coach dd 11]

Sure but that is an "if". But we still are down one top notch player on D immediately that doesn't have all that much.

What I'm leaning on is the coach has a way about him to get the players to play at potential and be all in, that has a large value itself.

Well yes, I'd agree with that. But what you said, adding a DT is an "if" as well correct? Can you "prove" that that player will actually work and make us better.
Again, i'm not saying you're wrong at all but I think their are several ways this can be done. Realistically, this team is NOT in a position to be elite in 1 - 2 years, we'd be better off in my opinion trading that chip for picks and saving the cap money and building a true younger team for the future. I'd feel different if we were truly close but I just don't see that.