NFL Trade Deadline

[LayneStaley]

Ok maybe this doesn’t need its own thread but the deadline is 5 weeks away. I know the next couple weeks will determine if we are buyers but let’s say we get to 5-2 do we make a move?

I really wish we still had Jakobi here but it sounds like a few guys might be available…

Brian Thomas Jr
Marvin Harrison Jr
Jerry Jeudy

Thoughts?

[LayneStaley]

The guy Id love to see on this D is Jeffery Simmons, I wonder what the price would be.

[FLORIDARAYDAH]

Those are 3 mediocre WRs that are no better than what we have. We will find out very soon how good team is. I don't see us as buyers as its usually older players at the end of their contracts. If we did make a move it would be for a DT IMO

[Reno Hightower]

Marvin Harrison Jr has 4 receptions for 74 yards, aside from 2024 Jerry Jeudy has largely played below expectations. Maybe this team has arrived early but trading for a player would require parting with draft capital, which in my opinion would be a mistake. Why potentially upset the team chemistry by bringing in a diva?

Of course Hue Jackson might be lurking in the background stirring his Irish coffee and plotting the greatest trade in football part 2.

[Sloth_Fratelli]

Ok maybe this doesn’t need its own thread but the deadline is 5 weeks away. I know the next couple weeks will determine if we are buyers but let’s say we get to 5-2 do we make a move?

I really wish we still had Jakobi here but it sounds like a few guys might be available…

Brian Thomas Jr
Marvin Harrison Jr
Jerry Jeudy

Thoughts?

I don’t believe Klint thinks he needs to trade for one of these guys. He seems more like a guy who will trade for a OL/DL player.

[NoThanksSir]

I think there is a trap many teams fall into where they think their window has opened before it actually has, and prematurely put all of their chips on the table. I personally don't believe we are there yet, or need to make a significant trade this year. I'd much prefer Kubiak to have a full season of evaluating a roster he's only had a few months of working with, identifying the spots that need upgrades, and addressing them in the offseason without the trading of draft picks.

[RI RAIDER]

Way to early to think about trades TBH. We still do not know what we REALLY have. I would love to improve the OL. The run blocking has been horrendous and the pass blocking (win rate be damned) has not been good. Having Bowers will hide the pass blocking shortcomings. Big difference with him in the game (quicker plays) as Cousins did not have to get the snot beat out of him like previous games.

[SkullCrusher]

I spoke to AL Gamini this morning before he starts business for the day...

Historically and analytically, Super Bowl participants generally feature average to below-average pure wide receiver rooms.

1. Average to Below-Average WRs (The Most Common)
The most frequent Super Bowl champions deploy a middle-of-the-pack or bottom-tier wide receiver staff. Instead of a premier WR1, these teams allocate their salary cap to an elite quarterback, a dominant offensive line, or a top-tier defense, pairing them with a superstar Tight End to serve as the actual focal point of the passing game.

* The Kansas City Chiefs won back-to-back Super Bowls with wide receiver rooms ranked in the 20s. Their passing game instead ran through Travis Kelce and Patrick Mahomes.
* The New England Patriots dynasty consistently won championships with unheralded wide receiver staffs (e.g., David Givens, Danny Amendola, Chris Hogan) outperforming their talent due to Tom Brady, while having elite TE's.

2. Elite WRs on "Rookie Deals" (The Value Window)
When teams do make it to the Super Bowl with a truly superior wide receiver staff, it is almost always because their star receivers are still playing on cheap rookie contracts. This allows the front office to hoard elite talent before their salary cap demands force the team to break the room apart.

* The Cincinnati Bengals reached the Super Bowl with Ja'Marr Chase and Tee Higgins both playing on rookie deals.
* The Philadelphia Eagles made their Super Bowl run with DeVonta Smith on a rookie contract complementing A.J. Brown.

3. The "All-In" Vet Exception (The Rarest Route)
It is incredibly rare for a team paying an veteran wide receiver top-of-the-market value to win a Super Bowl. The roster strain usually leaves holes elsewhere on the team.

AL was adamant saying... An elite tight end absolutely makes more of a difference in terms of team building, tactical versatility, and ultimate championship success. (That's amazing news for us as that is exactly what we already have)

1. The Ultimate Salary Cap Hack
The single biggest advantage of an elite tight end is how they are valued financially by the league. Due to historical structural quirks in how NFL franchise tags and contracts are calculated, the tight end market is severely depressed.

* Top-tier wide receivers routinely command $32 million to $42 million per year.
* Elite tight ends top out around $15 million to $19 million per year.

An elite tight end produces the receiving numbers of a WR1 at literally half the price.

2. Dictating Defensive Personnel
A true elite tight end (like Travis Kelce, George Kittle, Rob Gronkowski or Brock Bowers) destroys defensive game plans because they force defenses out of their comfort zones.

3. The Modern Super Bowl Blueprint
Modern Super Bowl history heavily favors teams that invest in a dominant tight end over a high-priced wide receiver group. Over the past decade, nearly every champion has featured a Hall-of-Fame caliber tight end anchoring their passing game while rotating cheap or average wide receivers around them.

I could see AL was getting ancy, but I said do the same but for LB's real quick, he said: Average LB is most common 55%, then above Avg 30% and the least thing in common with SB participants was below average 15%. We all know we've been below average since 2003'ish. We are now at least Average, but trending up from that.

AL then had more important business to deal with...

(To me if we want a top WR, drafting is the way. The rookie contract is key, however all draftees are unproven.)
(There are only so many balls to go around, we have 9 TD's in 3 games that is considered elite.)

[mstrbass2000]

the problem with trading mid season is the cost and ability of the team and player working within a system...wrs tend to struggle under new systems even super star types struggle unless the team carves out a chunk specifically for the player which can screw up the balance of the offense

dt like jeffery simmons will come at a high cost/high salary but would impact the team defense immediately

[Raidernation1979]

I hope not. We need a big hands catcher ala Denzel Boston. Haven’t looked at who’s available in the draft yet but none of these would be a good idea

[Oaktownonly]

I agree with giving Kubiak this year to evaluate everyone. Don't believe he will give up draft capital in his first season. Let this year season play out and give him next year's draft with full knowledge of his players.

[FlyBono24]

Brian Thomas had a huge rookie season but fell off last year. I wonder if we could get him for a late pick. They have pretty much taken him out of their rotation

6'4" and 205 with speed

[GoodTimeCharlie]

I hope not. We need a big hands catcher ala Denzel Boston. Haven’t looked at who’s available in the draft yet but none of these would be a good idea

We want Charlie B. It was a trade back in the 1st or a trade up from the 2nd before the season started. Now it looks like our winning and Charlie B kickin’ ass will put us right on line with no moves. Raiders’ 1st will be Charlie B.

[LayneStaley]

Reading some rumors on Quenton Nelson possibly being available at the deadline since he’s a FA next season. Thoughts?

[ELCAraiderfan]

Ok maybe this doesn’t need its own thread but the deadline is 5 weeks away. I know the next couple weeks will determine if we are buyers but let’s say we get to 5-2 do we make a move?

I really wish we still had Jakobi here but it sounds like a few guys might be available…

Brian Thomas Jr
Marvin Harrison Jr
Jerry Jeudy

Thoughts?

5 - 2?? WTF?

Bro did you watch Sunday's game against the pats?

They're going to get destroyed by the bills, rams and the 49ers. jets is only winnable game coming up in next 4 games.

4 and 5 is my hope after next 4 games. which will be ok I guess. They have to beat the jets and I hope they are competitive in the other 3 games, a lot more competent and competitive than they showed against the pats.