Emo Andy Dalton after a trip to Sephora on Groundhog Day (Carr thread)
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[quote=Kienic post_id=1111881]They can 'love' him all they want but do you think that maybe some constant playoff appearances year in year out with possibly somoene else would quash that 'love' that they currently with their mid table mediocracy master?
Your career can be short in this game and great players like the 3 named above surely don't want to be stuck in NFL purgatory for the remainder of their careers with the Raiders imo.[/quote]I'm with you on this.
I'm sure the Raiders of yore loved Dan Pastorini but wanted Plunkett to play. Now start going through the list of other "lovable" QB's on any team in the NFL. Carr is not the only lovable QB. The guy they draft this year will probably be a good guy himself but can actually, you know, quarterback.
Your career can be short in this game and great players like the 3 named above surely don't want to be stuck in NFL purgatory for the remainder of their careers with the Raiders imo.[/quote]I'm with you on this.
I'm sure the Raiders of yore loved Dan Pastorini but wanted Plunkett to play. Now start going through the list of other "lovable" QB's on any team in the NFL. Carr is not the only lovable QB. The guy they draft this year will probably be a good guy himself but can actually, you know, quarterback.
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[quote=Kienic post_id=1111881]They can 'love' him all they want but do you think that maybe some constant playoff appearances year in year out with possibly somoene else would quash that 'love' that they currently with their mid table mediocracy master?
Your career can be short in this game and great players like the 3 named above surely don't want to be stuck in NFL purgatory for the remainder of their careers with the Raiders imo.[/quote]Yep players can love a qb on their team and/or not have anything bad to say about him if or when they move onto another team. Now whether they'd pick Carr to be the qb of choice is a very different story
Your career can be short in this game and great players like the 3 named above surely don't want to be stuck in NFL purgatory for the remainder of their careers with the Raiders imo.[/quote]Yep players can love a qb on their team and/or not have anything bad to say about him if or when they move onto another team. Now whether they'd pick Carr to be the qb of choice is a very different story
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I had a discussion with a Carr fan over Adams leaving if Carr goes they will not take in that Adams biggest reason for coming here, it wasn’t Carr or playing for the Raiders it was bringing his family closer to home
What i discovered is how abhorrent that some Carr fans actually are they think Adams actually loves him more than his kids or family
What i discovered is how abhorrent that some Carr fans actually are they think Adams actually loves him more than his kids or family
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Welp, this is the most Carr Clan move ever. The enforcer Darren is beefing with Damian Lillard for not kissing the ring. 
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[quote=Dark Horse post_id=1111985]Welp, this is the most Carr Clan move ever. The enforcer Darren is beefing with Damian Lillard for not kissing the ring.
[/quote]If we could only acquire Justin Jefferson and Stephon Diggs...
[/quote]If we could only acquire Justin Jefferson and Stephon Diggs...
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Here me out....
I know Z Wilson looks like crap,but Glazer said the Jets are moving on from him after the season.
We have had reclamation projects before and the kid is young and has the tools.
Not as our starter obviously,but what about bringing him into camp as a challenger to Stidham and see what he’s got.
To be fair that Jets offense sucks
I know Z Wilson looks like crap,but Glazer said the Jets are moving on from him after the season.
We have had reclamation projects before and the kid is young and has the tools.
Not as our starter obviously,but what about bringing him into camp as a challenger to Stidham and see what he’s got.
To be fair that Jets offense sucks
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[quote=HesterLayes post_id=1112058]Here me out....
I know Z Wilson looks like crap,but Glazer said the Jets are moving on from him after the season.
We have had reclamation projects before and the kid is young and has the tools.
Not as our starter obviously,but what about bringing him into camp as a challenger to Stidham and see what he’s got.
To be fair that Jets offense sucks[/quote]you have to have special coaches to fix a broken player. Flores was a former QB so he was able to reach inside the broken Plunkett and find his greatness. And Plunkett was so broken it took time before he could even get to the field. Madden, a guy who could control a room, was able to fix Matuszak and even then Tooz gave him all he could handle. I am not sure we have that kind of coach now.
I know Z Wilson looks like crap,but Glazer said the Jets are moving on from him after the season.
We have had reclamation projects before and the kid is young and has the tools.
Not as our starter obviously,but what about bringing him into camp as a challenger to Stidham and see what he’s got.
To be fair that Jets offense sucks[/quote]you have to have special coaches to fix a broken player. Flores was a former QB so he was able to reach inside the broken Plunkett and find his greatness. And Plunkett was so broken it took time before he could even get to the field. Madden, a guy who could control a room, was able to fix Matuszak and even then Tooz gave him all he could handle. I am not sure we have that kind of coach now.
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[quote=Attyla post_id=1112071]you have to have special coaches to fix a broken player. Flores was a former QB so he was able to reach inside the broken Plunkett and find his greatness. And Plunkett was so broken it took time before he could even get to the field. Madden, a guy who could control a room, was able to fix Matuszak and even then Tooz gave him all he could handle. I am not sure we have that kind of coach now.[/quote]Yeah Plunkett was the main one I was referring to. Heisman,high pick,struggled badly.
I’m not saying Wilson is a Plunkett,but I’d bring him into camp and see what he has.He’s in an awful situation. Let him ride the pine with no pressure and maybe McD could fix him.
I’m not saying Wilson is a Plunkett,but I’d bring him into camp and see what he has.He’s in an awful situation. Let him ride the pine with no pressure and maybe McD could fix him.
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I know they are rare,but we have to try and find one.
We aren’t the only one...
I’m sure there’s more,but to just to name a few-Jets,Texans,Falcons,Steelers,Broncos,Titans,Colts,Pats, Panthers,etc
Carr is better than a lot of those teams QBs,but I want to be elite.Shoot your dang shot!
We aren’t the only one...
I’m sure there’s more,but to just to name a few-Jets,Texans,Falcons,Steelers,Broncos,Titans,Colts,Pats, Panthers,etc
Carr is better than a lot of those teams QBs,but I want to be elite.Shoot your dang shot!
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[quote=HesterLayes post_id=1112073]Yeah Plunkett was the main one I was referring to. Heisman,high pick,struggled badly.
I’m not saying Wilson is a Plunkett,but I’d bring him into camp and see what he has.He’s in an awful situation. Let him ride the pine with no pressure and maybe McD could fix him.[/quote]I say no due to his attitude. It’s not just his play. His team hates him cause of his attitude.
I’m not saying Wilson is a Plunkett,but I’d bring him into camp and see what he has.He’s in an awful situation. Let him ride the pine with no pressure and maybe McD could fix him.[/quote]I say no due to his attitude. It’s not just his play. His team hates him cause of his attitude.
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[quote=HesterLayes post_id=1112073]Yeah Plunkett was the main one I was referring to. Heisman,high pick,struggled badly.
I’m not saying Wilson is a Plunkett,but I’d bring him into camp and see what he has.He’s in an awful situation. Let him ride the pine with no pressure and maybe McD could fix him.[/quote]Plunkett was ROY but he was killed by a lack of a line. By the time he got to us he was beat to hell. I am not opposed to bringing in a guy to sit for a year to see what you got but I am not sure McD is a fix a guy kind of coach. But no harm on a cheap deal.
I’m not saying Wilson is a Plunkett,but I’d bring him into camp and see what he has.He’s in an awful situation. Let him ride the pine with no pressure and maybe McD could fix him.[/quote]Plunkett was ROY but he was killed by a lack of a line. By the time he got to us he was beat to hell. I am not opposed to bringing in a guy to sit for a year to see what you got but I am not sure McD is a fix a guy kind of coach. But no harm on a cheap deal.
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[quote=16 to 88 post_id=1112055]If we could only acquire Justin Jefferson and Stephon Diggs...[/quote] 
Add Trent Williams, Aaron Donald and Roquan Smith and then we can talk
Add Trent Williams, Aaron Donald and Roquan Smith and then we can talk-
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Burrow is stupid
284 and three TDs in the first half
284 and three TDs in the first half
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[quote=HesterLayes post_id=1112087]Burrow is stupid
284 and three TDs in the first half[/quote]Against the Pats historic defensive unit
284 and three TDs in the first half[/quote]Against the Pats historic defensive unit
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[quote=Raidernation1979 post_id=1112080]I say no due to his attitude. It’s not just his play. His team hates him cause of his attitude.[/quote]Exactly.
If the masses don't like you, or worse, despise the sight of you it's a major issue. Some guys will run through walls for other players (Plunkett). Others, it's tough to motivate them (Pastorini).
If the masses don't like you, or worse, despise the sight of you it's a major issue. Some guys will run through walls for other players (Plunkett). Others, it's tough to motivate them (Pastorini).