Emo Andy Dalton after a trip to Sephora on Groundhog Day (Carr thread)
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RaiderandBulldog
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Ivanavich
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[quote=Jeremyturner1976 post_id=1099719]I am curious about your logic here, take the offense completely out of the picture.
Which helps the defense more and why?
A single risky first round pick
Or
30 million more to add to the current 65 million signed on the '23 defense. Essentially adding 50% more cap resources directly to the defense.
My opinion is that moving on from a 35 million dollar QB will help the defense more than anything, and I believe you will find 99% of this board and the world agrees.
I also think Carr stays and I hate it, but if we are being honest, it should be clear which move helps more imo.[/quote]Well, there you go again.
How many defenses are paying 2 vet DEs top $?
You can't fix this defense by adding $30 million to their cap number. Who you gonna get? You'd need to trade for anybody elite and where are you going to get the draft capital from?
Your living a pipe dream which only you believe. The defense needs draft picks. All the good defenses were built with draft picks first, then they traded for an elite player to get over the top.
Free Agency is an illusion. Nobody wants to play in Las Vegas. Jones was the only FA they could find, and he played in a desert in Phoenix. Jones likes hot weather. Any FA who does sign wants a PREMIUM above market to play here.
All the Raiders could find in FA was Jones. Read the tea leaves. FAs hated the Oakland stadium and now they hate the damn waterless desert.
Thankfully, I've seen no sign that Z and McD are having the same pipe dream as you. Draft a D. The offense needs a new HB. Aside from that, they are close to being good. Carr can hand the ball off to the new Marcus Allen and throw 3 yard passes to the new Marcus Allen and watch the new Marcus Allen win the games with TDs scored quickly and in the clutch. Jacobs is a one-dimensional average HB who, if you feed him the ball, will burn a lot of clock and get the offense up to 17 points. He'd look good on the 49ers, who don't need a HB to score a lot of points. The Raiders need a HB who can score a lot of points quickly - you know, like Fat Andy's 3 elite skill players can do.
The top need on the defense is an elite CB1. And it's the top need by a mile. Most of the good defenses have an elite CB1. An elite CB1 would have the 2nd most QB sacks on this sad pass defense.
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Which helps the defense more and why?
A single risky first round pick
Or
30 million more to add to the current 65 million signed on the '23 defense. Essentially adding 50% more cap resources directly to the defense.
My opinion is that moving on from a 35 million dollar QB will help the defense more than anything, and I believe you will find 99% of this board and the world agrees.
I also think Carr stays and I hate it, but if we are being honest, it should be clear which move helps more imo.[/quote]Well, there you go again.
How many defenses are paying 2 vet DEs top $?
You can't fix this defense by adding $30 million to their cap number. Who you gonna get? You'd need to trade for anybody elite and where are you going to get the draft capital from?
Your living a pipe dream which only you believe. The defense needs draft picks. All the good defenses were built with draft picks first, then they traded for an elite player to get over the top.
Free Agency is an illusion. Nobody wants to play in Las Vegas. Jones was the only FA they could find, and he played in a desert in Phoenix. Jones likes hot weather. Any FA who does sign wants a PREMIUM above market to play here.
All the Raiders could find in FA was Jones. Read the tea leaves. FAs hated the Oakland stadium and now they hate the damn waterless desert.
Thankfully, I've seen no sign that Z and McD are having the same pipe dream as you. Draft a D. The offense needs a new HB. Aside from that, they are close to being good. Carr can hand the ball off to the new Marcus Allen and throw 3 yard passes to the new Marcus Allen and watch the new Marcus Allen win the games with TDs scored quickly and in the clutch. Jacobs is a one-dimensional average HB who, if you feed him the ball, will burn a lot of clock and get the offense up to 17 points. He'd look good on the 49ers, who don't need a HB to score a lot of points. The Raiders need a HB who can score a lot of points quickly - you know, like Fat Andy's 3 elite skill players can do.
The top need on the defense is an elite CB1. And it's the top need by a mile. Most of the good defenses have an elite CB1. An elite CB1 would have the 2nd most QB sacks on this sad pass defense.
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Raiderfanrich
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[quote=tactician post_id=1099713]If Carr is back next year I'm out. No team has ever gone this long with such an average quarterback.[/quote]Same here
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[quote=justwinbaby911 post_id=1099754]And it will lead to another season without the playoffs. He will not make the playoffs again as an NFL quarterback. Stay or trade/release, moving on puts the Raiders in better shape long term. Build the defense through more than the draft save some money, and build a defense through free agency as well. It's time for a rookie QB, or a bridge QB game manager and build the D. No more blaming the D It's forget about the offense and move on and build a defense. They forgot about the defense long enough and it hasn't worked it's been a Carr crutch. We Will give him 10 years because the defense sucks. Ridiculous. There's no other team that would do this, no other example. There's no guy that's been a quarterback for 10 years with a record like his and they probably the history of the NFL It's funny shit. If he's good or if he's not it's just terrible team building and he should have been gone a long time ago just to free up the cap room.[/quote]Again I don’t want him back, haven’t since 2018. I’m only telling you he is going to be back and are going to continue the same conversations as we are right now.
It sucks but is what it is.
It sucks but is what it is.
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[quote=Willmark post_id=1099694]I never bet on anything, but if I did?
I’d put every cent I have on him being back. Why? Two words: Mark Davis.
Davis is so enamored with Carr that there is no way he can contemplate parting from him,
Carr isn’t going anywhere boys, better make peace with it.[/quote]If true, I won't watch the NFL until he's gone.
I’d put every cent I have on him being back. Why? Two words: Mark Davis.
Davis is so enamored with Carr that there is no way he can contemplate parting from him,
Carr isn’t going anywhere boys, better make peace with it.[/quote]If true, I won't watch the NFL until he's gone.
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Raiderz4life
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[quote=Ivanavich post_id=1099770]Well, there you go again.
How many defenses are paying 2 vet DEs top $?
You can't fix this defense by adding $30 million to their cap number. Who you gonna get? You'd need to trade for anybody elite and where are you going to get the draft capital from?
Your living a pipe dream which only you believe. The defense needs draft picks. All the good defenses were built with draft picks first, then they traded for an elite player to get over the top.
Free Agency is an illusion. Nobody wants to play in Las Vegas. Jones was the only FA they could find, and he played in a desert in Phoenix. Jones likes hot weather. Any FA who does sign wants a PREMIUM above market to play here.
All the Raiders could find in FA was Jones. Read the tea leaves. FAs hated the Oakland stadium and now they hate the damn waterless desert.
Thankfully, I've seen no sign that Z and McD are having the same pipe dream as you. Draft a D. The offense needs a new HB. Aside from that, they are close to being good. Carr can hand the ball off to the new Marcus Allen and throw 3 yard passes to the new Marcus Allen and watch the new Marcus Allen win the games with TDs scored quickly and in the clutch. Jacobs is a one-dimensional average HB who, if you feed him the ball, will burn a lot of clock and get the offense up to 17 points. He'd look good on the 49ers, who don't need a HB to score a lot of points. The Raiders need a HB who can score a lot of points quickly - you know, like Fat Andy's 3 elite skill players can do.
The top need on the defense is an elite CB1. And it's the top need by a mile. Most of the good defenses have an elite CB1. An elite CB1 would have the 2nd most QB sacks on this sad pass defense.
-- Fri Nov 18, 2022 12:29 am --[/quote]No the top need on this defense is a DT and it's not even close. The teams interior pass rush is absolutely loathsome
How many defenses are paying 2 vet DEs top $?
You can't fix this defense by adding $30 million to their cap number. Who you gonna get? You'd need to trade for anybody elite and where are you going to get the draft capital from?
Your living a pipe dream which only you believe. The defense needs draft picks. All the good defenses were built with draft picks first, then they traded for an elite player to get over the top.
Free Agency is an illusion. Nobody wants to play in Las Vegas. Jones was the only FA they could find, and he played in a desert in Phoenix. Jones likes hot weather. Any FA who does sign wants a PREMIUM above market to play here.
All the Raiders could find in FA was Jones. Read the tea leaves. FAs hated the Oakland stadium and now they hate the damn waterless desert.
Thankfully, I've seen no sign that Z and McD are having the same pipe dream as you. Draft a D. The offense needs a new HB. Aside from that, they are close to being good. Carr can hand the ball off to the new Marcus Allen and throw 3 yard passes to the new Marcus Allen and watch the new Marcus Allen win the games with TDs scored quickly and in the clutch. Jacobs is a one-dimensional average HB who, if you feed him the ball, will burn a lot of clock and get the offense up to 17 points. He'd look good on the 49ers, who don't need a HB to score a lot of points. The Raiders need a HB who can score a lot of points quickly - you know, like Fat Andy's 3 elite skill players can do.
The top need on the defense is an elite CB1. And it's the top need by a mile. Most of the good defenses have an elite CB1. An elite CB1 would have the 2nd most QB sacks on this sad pass defense.
-- Fri Nov 18, 2022 12:29 am --[/quote]No the top need on this defense is a DT and it's not even close. The teams interior pass rush is absolutely loathsome
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[quote=Raiderz4life post_id=1099775]No the top need on this defense is a DT and it's not even close. The teams interior pass rush is absolutely loathsome[/quote]So with the 3rd pick in next years draft the Raiders should select Jalen Carter from Georgia?
Stidham to start next year with the cap space saved from Carr we use to fill out the rest of the roster.
IF the Raiders are lucky they will get some draft capital for Carr in a trade and then can use that to get the QB of the future.
Stidham to start next year with the cap space saved from Carr we use to fill out the rest of the roster.
IF the Raiders are lucky they will get some draft capital for Carr in a trade and then can use that to get the QB of the future.
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why draft a DL when you can just overpay for a washed up DL? It's the Raider way, why change the formula that has created so much content on the site?
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Nothing will help our team unless:
A. We draft Stroud or Levis and dump Carr
B. We hit homeruns on our defense picks (Sia, Trace Ford).
A. We draft Stroud or Levis and dump Carr
B. We hit homeruns on our defense picks (Sia, Trace Ford).
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[quote=Jeremyturner1976 post_id=1099719]I am curious about your logic here, take the offense completely out of the picture.
Which helps the defense more and why?
A single risky first round pick
Or
30 million more to add to the current 65 million signed on the '23 defense. Essentially adding 50% more cap resources directly to the defense.
My opinion is that moving on from a 35 million dollar QB will help the defense more than anything, and I believe you will find 99% of this board and the world agrees.
I also think Carr stays and I hate it, but if we are being honest, it should be clear which move helps more imo.[/quote]I’m being totally honest in that the offense is good enough to win with a top 15 defense. Building a top 15 defense should be the goal and I don’t mean via free agency as that simply hasn’t worked out for this organization.
Which helps the defense more and why?
A single risky first round pick
Or
30 million more to add to the current 65 million signed on the '23 defense. Essentially adding 50% more cap resources directly to the defense.
My opinion is that moving on from a 35 million dollar QB will help the defense more than anything, and I believe you will find 99% of this board and the world agrees.
I also think Carr stays and I hate it, but if we are being honest, it should be clear which move helps more imo.[/quote]I’m being totally honest in that the offense is good enough to win with a top 15 defense. Building a top 15 defense should be the goal and I don’t mean via free agency as that simply hasn’t worked out for this organization.
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HesterLayes
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[quote=STHfrontrow post_id=1099784]So with the 3rd pick in next years draft the Raiders should select Jalen Carter from Georgia?
Stidham to start next year with the cap space saved from Carr we use to fill out the rest of the roster.
IF the Raiders are lucky they will get some draft capital for Carr in a trade and then can use that to get the QB of the future.[/quote]I’m a Young guy,but I wouldn’t mind Carter in the first and a Richardson/Hooker in the second.
Stidham to start next year with the cap space saved from Carr we use to fill out the rest of the roster.
IF the Raiders are lucky they will get some draft capital for Carr in a trade and then can use that to get the QB of the future.[/quote]I’m a Young guy,but I wouldn’t mind Carter in the first and a Richardson/Hooker in the second.
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[quote=HesterLayes post_id=1099794]I’m a Young guy,but I wouldn’t mind Carter in the first and a Richardson/Hooker in the second.[/quote]I could live with that.
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[quote=Raiderz4life post_id=1099775]No the top need on this defense is a DT and it's not even close. The teams interior pass rush is absolutely loathsome[/quote]Yeah. I've only been kind of joking the past two years when I said we should draft all DTs. We have 10 draft picks in 2023. I'm so f'ing fed up with getting gashed up front in the rung game, no interior push on passing downs, and our pass rush consisting singularly of Maxx Crosby.
Then next year we take only LBs and CBs.
Then next year we take only LBs and CBs.
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[quote=HesterLayes post_id=1099794]I’m a Young guy,but I wouldn’t mind Carter in the first and a Richardson/Hooker in the second.[/quote]Are you sold on Carter? He looks really good but I have a hard time taking him over will Anderson - guys a superstar imo.
For me it’s:
1. Bryce young
2. Will Anderson
3. Cj stroud
4. Jalen carter
5. Will Levis
For me it’s:
1. Bryce young
2. Will Anderson
3. Cj stroud
4. Jalen carter
5. Will Levis
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sdraider85
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I won’t pretend to know who the good QB is going to be but I am ok with taking a swing and missing. Failing happens, not trying is inexcusable. I hope Derek continues to cry and embarrass this franchise, Mark deserves it if for keeping him this long.
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[quote=sdraider85 post_id=1099805]I won’t pretend to know who the good QB is going to be but I am ok with taking a swing and missing. Failing happens, not trying is inexcusable. I hope Derek continues to cry and embarrass this franchise, Mark deserves it if for keeping him this long.[/quote]Failing only occurs is you give up. Keep swinging.