Emo Andy Dalton after a trip to Sephora on Groundhog Day (Carr thread)

[RaiderandBulldog]

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[GoodTimeCharlie]

[quote=KillerRaider30 post_id=1068288]Carr had a better RZ % than Mahomes when KC won the SB.[/quote]You should post this on a Chiefs forum. I’ll open up a window and see if I can hear the laughter coming out of KC.

[Hellbound]

[quote=KillerRaider30 post_id=1068288]Carr had a better RZ % than Mahomes when KC won the SB.[/quote]I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Mahomes is more than happy to have a SB ring over a better rz%

[Attyla]

[quote=KillerRaider30 post_id=1068288]Carr had a better RZ % than Mahomes when KC won the SB.[/quote]Want me to say it again? Score and in particular score in the red zone. Mahomes all too often scores before he gets to the red zone. 38 TD passes to be quite accurate. That is 6 more than Carr has ever had in a season. But please use a small sample size in your future arguments. I can use a single season to make a player look far better or far worse than they really are? Want me to prove it? 2008 Tom Brady played in one game and did not throw a single TD and yet won the game, so quite obviously TDs are overrated! See how easy that was

you use the body of work when making a point where the body of work applies. You do not use a single season (or game) to make a point where the body of the work applies.

[KillerRaider30]

[quote=Attyla post_id=1068293]Want me to say it again? Score and in particular score in the red zone. Mahomes all too often scores before he gets to the red zone. 38 TD passes to be quite accurate. That is 6 more than Carr has ever had in a season. But please use a small sample size in your future arguments. I can use a single season to make a player look far better or far worse than they really are? Want me to prove it? 2008 Tom Brady played in one game and did not throw a single TD and yet won the game, so quite obviously TDs are overrated! See how easy that was

you use the body of work when making a point where the body of work applies. You do not use a single season (or game) to make a point where the body of the work applies.[/quote]Yes and Carr also had more TD passes than Brady one year and Brady won the Superbowl.

I'm not saying it isn't important it just not the tell all for wins and losses.
At some point we need to look at how many points we give up bc W and L are a differential and 50% of the game is played on defense for the most part. Yes

[Jeremyturner1976]

[quote=KillerRaider30 post_id=1068294]Yes and Carr also had more TD passes than Brady one year and Brady won the Superbowl.

I'm not saying it isn't important it just not the tell all for wins and losses.
At some point we need to look at how many points we give up bc W and L are a differential and 50% of the game is played on defense for the most part. Yes[/quote]And 35% of our cap is spent on defense and 65% on offense.

So yes, the side that gets more resources needs to step up and outscore their opponents. The front office thought a Carr led offense was enough, they were wrong.

[Raidernation1979]

[quote=KillerRaider30 post_id=1068288]Carr had a better RZ % than Mahomes when KC won the SB.[/quote]How do you mean? Completion % or TD% per red zone trip? What stat/metric are you using?

[Attyla]

[quote=KillerRaider30 post_id=1068294]Yes and Carr also had more TD passes than Brady one year and Brady won the Superbowl.

I'm not saying it isn't important it just not the tell all for wins and losses.
At some point we need to look at how many points we give up bc W and L are a differential and 50% of the game is played on defense for the most part. Yes[/quote]again, you are using an outlier to make your point. It does not work like that. You used what was it, 8 different items to say that the top wins guys all had in common which was not true. And those were career guys, not single season guys. I said you were incorrect, even sited a couple examples of big wins guys who did not have this item or that item but to a man the guys who had big wins scored TDs consistently and also scored in the red zone consistently. You then pulled one season of one guy. Now you are doing it again. The argument was never about single season guys, it is wins guys for their careers so any stat you pull out that is not for their career is no relevent.

[Raidernation1979]

[quote=KillerRaider30 post_id=1068294]Yes and Carr also had more TD passes than Brady one year and Brady won the Superbowl.

I'm not saying it isn't important it just not the tell all for wins and losses.
At some point we need to look at how many points we give up bc W and L are a differential and 50% of the game is played on defense for the most part. Yes[/quote]What year did Carr have more TD passes than Brady and Brady won Super Bowl?

What year did Derek Carr throw more TDs than Tom Brady?

[Raider727]

[quote=Raidernation1979 post_id=1068298]How do you mean? Completion % or TD% per red zone trip? What stat/metric are you using?[/quote]Mahomes 2019: 26 td passes and 5 interception in 14 games.

Carr 2019: 21 td passes and 8 interceptions in 16 games.

I don't know what's KillerRaider30 is trying to prove .

[KillerRaider30]

[quote=Raidernation1979 post_id=1068300]What year did Carr have more TD passes than Brady and Brady won Super Bowl?

What year did Derek Carr throw more TDs than Tom Brady?[/quote]Yup my bad. Got ahead of myself.
2019 Mahomes had 26 TDs vs Carrs 21.

Tell me its only TDs that win championships.

The Raiders have sucked at multiple levels in the same year throughout Carr career with us.

That's why we're not winning.
The team, t e a m sucks

[Raider727]

[quote=Raidernation1979 post_id=1068300]What year did Carr have more TD passes than Brady and Brady won Super Bowl?

What year did Derek Carr throw more TDs than Tom Brady?[/quote]Only in 2016 when Carr threw 28 tds and 5 interceptions was he tied with Brady who also threw 28 tds and 2 interceptions.

Only thing is Carr started 15 games that season, compared to Brady who only started 12 games that season.

So Carr had more games to throw td's, apart from that Carr has never thrown more td's than Brady in a season.

So in other words KillerRaider30 is talking out of his ass again, making shit up to prop up Carr smh

[Attyla]

[quote=KillerRaider30 post_id=1068304]Yup my bad. Got ahead of myself.
2019 Mahomes had 26 TDs vs Carrs 21.

Tell me its only TDs that win championships.

The Raiders have sucked at multiple levels in the same year throughout Carr career with us.

That's why we're not winning.
The team, t e a m sucks[/quote]the one common denominator...hmmm, you keep missing that

but you threw out 8 different items that "they all have in common" but was not true

hmmm

[Raider727]

[quote=KillerRaider30 post_id=1068304]Yup my bad. Got ahead of myself.
2019 Mahomes had 26 TDs vs Carrs 21.

Tell me its only TDs that win championships.

The Raiders have sucked at multiple levels in the same year throughout Carr career with us.

That's why we're not winning.
The team, t e a m sucks[/quote]The team includes Carr, the team including C a a r sucks.

Hopefully Z and McDaniels can turn things around....

[KillerRaider30]

But here we go.
Why aren't the Raiders, Derek Carr as you all like to blame, winning
Team defense
2022 HC change
2021 26th
2020 30th
2019 24th
2018 32nd HC change
2017 20th hey
2016 20th now
2015 22nd HC change
2014 32nd
2013 29th
2012 28th HC change
2011 29th HC change
See a pattern yet
2010 20th
2009 23rd HC change
2008 24th
2007 26th HC change
2006 18th 15 years since we broke the top 20 HC change
2005 25th
2004 31st back on track HC change
2003 25th
2002 6th 20 years top 10 defense HC change

And you guys have the audacity to charge Carr with the failures of the team. And yes you do

[GoodTimeCharlie]

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