Emo Andy Dalton after a trip to Sephora on Groundhog Day (Carr thread)

[RaiderandBulldog]

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[Jeremyturner1976]

[quote=KillerRaider30 post_id=1059987] you're so sensitive my Lord.

Im not trolling, I'm stating facts that you can't handle bc it doesn't fall inline with your Carr hate nonsense.

New England Patriots
Same coach 20 years
Same system 20 years
Same Gronk 20 years
Same QB 20 years
Top 10 defense 20 years
All mastering what they do while we...
Forget it. It's too simple for you to see bc the answer is deep in the stats. Keep digging.
Now go find a year NE didn't have a top 10 defense and say seee!
Proof, you solved it honey, Carr in the shower
Lol[/quote]More make believe.

Cool. So yes, you have absolutely nothing. Made up what ifs.

Carr's book is already written, he wrote it himself. You should try reading it, not whatever fiction you are living in. Derp, what if Carr was Tom Brady... do you even listen to yourself?

You have nothing but make believe because Carr has done nothing to prove me wrong. He is a choker, proven in cold hard facts, year after year.

Welcome to reality.

[Jeremyturner1976]

As per the usual,
Im not trolling, I'm stating facts that you can't handle bc it doesn't fall inline with your Sam Darnold hate nonsense.

New England Patriots
Same coach 20 years
Same system 20 years
Same Gronk 20 years
Same QB 20 years
Top 10 defense 20 years
All mastering what they do while we...
Forget it. It's too simple for you to see bc the answer is deep in the stats. Keep digging.
Now go find a year NE didn't have a top 10 defense and say seee!
Proof, you solved it honey, Darnold in the shower
Lol





I just had to prove my point that you are saying absolutely nothing. You can replace Carr with any QB since the dawn of time.

Feel good what ifs. Nothing of substance. Facts, yeah, you have none bud.

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Quit trolling.

[pfish57]

This thread is older than my testicles!!!! No not really

[Attyla]

[quote=pfish57 post_id=1059991]This thread is older than my testicles!!!! No not really [/quote]wait til they drop

[Raidernation1979]

[quote=KillerRaider30 post_id=1059975]Carr is ranked 12th.

So what doYaThink, 9th and were good? 8th 10th?

You Know 2 3 spots
NF[/quote]By what metric? Pass yards? TDs? TO ratio?

[HesterLayes]

My prediction is they extend Carr on a short two-three year deal and they draft a QB with their first pick.just a hunch

[KillerRaider30]

[quote=Attyla post_id=1059988]you focus on the wrong things, you said 2-3 rankings higher. Your focus is wrong.

And address weight of responsibility just once, because you have danced around that for 2 days now.

Oh and the defense got us in when the offense faded, so your defense comment falls on deaf ears slick. They were the primary reason we got there.

But please move the goalposts again, I am consistent, you are just dancing.

I do not dance.[/quote]Listen, this was a shit organization well before Carr got here and im not trying to move the goal posts.

Given what other successful team do I'm sure Carrs ranking would be higher and the win totals for the Raiders would be up.

And im not dancing.
Head to head
Meaning
QB vs all other positions 1 to 1
And the QB is worth the most.
Yes, I admit that whole heartedly

What im saying is
the QBs weight does not outweigh the other 21 combined. Period

And the fact is the Raiders have trotted out 21 shit bags for the most part of 20 years.

But before ALL the players you NEED a competent coaching staff in place, a GM who knows what the f[raiders_icon]ck hes doing, a DC who has a clue and a owner who stays out of it.
That ALL comes FIRST.

And you need to stick with it for at least 3 plus years before they returns/wins accumulate.

Carr is not the problem.
I'm not debating this, I'm straight out telling you it.
Build a f[raiders_icon]cking complete team and you can compete with other organizations who have built complete teams.

For f[raiders_icon]cks sake 4 HCs in 8 years? 2 GMs 4 DCs
4 OCs
No wonder no one knows what the f[raiders_icon]ck is happening on the field and we lose.

Carr has had like 25 WRs come in and out.

Maurice Jones Drew as the RB? What the f[raiders_icon]ck we cant win a game. f[raiders_icon]ck

It's the big picture my guy.

Anyway im out tonight hope you can see it both ways.

QB is # 1 but the shit show from owner to GM to HC to DC to OC to f[raiders_icon]cking crayon?
f[raiders_icon]ck, give us a break with weights and measures
Go Raiders and
Peace out brothers

[Attyla]

I think you need to take a break, because you cannot address one salient point brought up and make things way too personal. Your sideways insults and yes, your moving of the goalposts is staggering. You just brought up Maurice Jones Drew? Wow, just wow.

[Mytruckhercar]

[quote=Xramfan post_id=1059959]My kid has been attending UNR the last 4 years. I know that McCarron safeway fuel station and McD’s well lol. Before he finally took his own car I would drive him up and drop him off, stay the night at GSR and then fuel up on McCarron and grab a breakfast and head west.

Just let my kid know so I hope he makes it over there.

Do tell of his take on current Raiders[/quote]Too funny... I have lived off McCarron for the last 10 years and misspelled it. Derp. Didn't even notice. Thanks.

Sent you a PM.

[Raider727]

[quote=KillerRaider30 post_id=1060006]Listen, this was a shit organization well before Carr got here and im not trying to move the goal posts.

Given what other successful team do I'm sure Carrs ranking would be higher and the win totals for the Raiders would be up.

And im not dancing.
Head to head
Meaning
QB vs all other positions 1 to 1
And the QB is worth the most.
Yes, I admit that whole heartedly

What im saying is
the QBs weight does not outweigh the other 21 combined. Period

And the fact is the Raiders have trotted out 21 shit bags for the most part of 20 years.

But before ALL the players you NEED a competent coaching staff in place, a GM who knows what the f[raiders_icon]ck hes doing, a DC who has a clue and a owner who stays out of it.
That ALL comes FIRST.

And you need to stick with it for at least 3 plus years before they returns/wins accumulate.

Carr is not the problem.
I'm not debating this, I'm straight out telling you it.
Build a f[raiders_icon]cking complete team and you can compete with other organizations who have built complete teams.

For f[raiders_icon]cks sake 4 HCs in 8 years? 2 GMs 4 DCs
4 OCs
No wonder no one knows what the f[raiders_icon]ck is happening on the field and we lose.

Carr has had like 25 WRs come in and out.

Maurice Jones Drew as the RB? What the f[raiders_icon]ck we cant win a game. f[raiders_icon]ck

It's the big picture my guy.

Anyway im out tonight hope you can see it both ways.

QB is # 1 but the shit show from owner to GM to HC to DC to OC to f[raiders_icon]cking crayon?
f[raiders_icon]ck, give us a break with weights and measures
Go Raiders and
Peace out brothers[/quote]Poor Derek, $100,000,000 after.....

[Xramfan]

[quote=KillerRaider30 post_id=1059981]
Blame Carr[/quote]NF

[GoodTimeCharlie]

“Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser.” -Vince Lombardi

“Losers never know why they are losing. They will mention injuries, the officiating, the weather and bad breaks.” -George Allen

“Show me a good and gracious loser and I'll show you a failure.” -Knute Rockne

Carr. f[raiders_icon]cking. Sucks.

[Jeremyturner1976]

[quote=KillerRaider30 post_id=1060006]Listen, this was a shit organization well before Carr got here and im not trying to move the goal posts.

Given what other successful team do I'm sure Carrs ranking would be higher and the win totals for the Raiders would be up.

And im not dancing.
Head to head
Meaning
QB vs all other positions 1 to 1
And the QB is worth the most.
Yes, I admit that whole heartedly

What im saying is
the QBs weight does not outweigh the other 21 combined. Period

And the fact is the Raiders have trotted out 21 shit bags for the most part of 20 years.

But before ALL the players you NEED a competent coaching staff in place, a GM who knows what the f[raiders_icon]ck hes doing, a DC who has a clue and a owner who stays out of it.
That ALL comes FIRST.

And you need to stick with it for at least 3 plus years before they returns/wins accumulate.

Carr is not the problem.
I'm not debating this, I'm straight out telling you it.
Build a f[raiders_icon]cking complete team and you can compete with other organizations who have built complete teams.

For f[raiders_icon]cks sake 4 HCs in 8 years? 2 GMs 4 DCs
4 OCs
No wonder no one knows what the f[raiders_icon]ck is happening on the field and we lose.

Carr has had like 25 WRs come in and out.

Maurice Jones Drew as the RB? What the f[raiders_icon]ck we cant win a game. f[raiders_icon]ck

It's the big picture my guy.

Anyway im out tonight hope you can see it both ways.

QB is # 1 but the shit show from owner to GM to HC to DC to OC to f[raiders_icon]cking crayon?
f[raiders_icon]ck, give us a break with weights and measures
Go Raiders and
Peace out brothers[/quote]So no proof of Carr taking the big game in his hands and winning. Just more three bears talk. This porridge is too hot, this porridge is too cold, poor Carr needs everything just right...

For you it is not Carr it is literally the 21 other starters fault, the coach, the owner, but never, ever Mr. 13 fumbles and 14 interceptions huh?

The simple truth is winners win and losers fold. Carr folds man, we gave him a top 5 defense from week 10 on and a playoff game, and he gave us a sub 70 passer rating. He gave up the ball more than once per game this season, like a turnover pinata, but you blame everyone else?

As always, replace Carr's name with Mayfield, Wentz, Etc.. and your same exact argumemt applies. You never discuss Derek, except for how he is just a poor victim. Are you saying we should bring them in? They also never had your same 'fair shot' and according to you we can't judge their play in a vacuum - every QB should be treated like Brady or Gosh darnit, it just ain't fair - right?

Nah man, you said it yourself, he is a l2 to 15 QB. He is not elite because he has flaws. Big games have proven to be a major flaw.

If he tore it up in his playoff game, he could change the story that has been written over the past 8 years - he didn't. He never has even stepped up in playoff hunts, which is why I don't think he is the future of this team. Every year his game falls of a cliff in the second half. Every damn year.

As to your argument.
Please explain how many years Joe Burrow had with his coach and team? Please, in detail, tell me how that lines up with your 'hypothesis' above.

[raiders93]

[quote=Jeremyturner1976 post_id=1060022] Please explain how many years Joe Burrow had with his coach and team? Please, in detail, tell me how that lines up with your 'hypothesis' above.[/quote]Burrows a star. Bringing in his star college receiver he set records with seemed to help him… we can only hope we’ll see a parallel this year.

[Jeremyturner1976]

[quote=raiders93 post_id=1060023]Burrows a star. Bringing in his star college receiver he set records with seemed to help him… we can only hope we’ll see a parallel this year.[/quote]My point exactly, not one of those points he made is specific to Derek. You could make the same argument easily for 25 of the 32 starting QBs right now.

Elite QBs don't need the galaxies to align to play top 5 football. Elite QBs don't play the worst games of the season - every season - in weeks 12-17.

Carr is not elite, we know what we have. He should be a short term plan until proven otherwise. If we are being honest, he has only proven that when the going gets tough, he is already gone. Every Damn Year.

If we have to stack talent around him to win but still pay him like a star - in a division with Mahommes, Herbert, and Wilson - that plan fails. Doing stuff like 'bringing in his favorite receiver', while leaving huge holes elsewhere - that is called carrying a QB to me.

If he sucks every year from December on, we won't win many playoff games. When has his game improved to end the season? Ever?

It takes 4 games, all victories, against the best the NFL has to offer to win in January. That is my point, his flaw is huge.

'17, '19, '20, '21 - All were years that he fell off a cliff when the team needed him most. In each year we were in the playoff hunt, twice he was in mvp rumors by week 5 by starting hot - every year though he plays his worst when the pressure hits.

Every fact and statistic in the world supports this statement. We all watched it go down.

* I am on board for next year and I believe the plan is solid because we may finally see Carr bring value. We have all four of Moehrig, Hobbs, Waller, and Renfrow cheap for one more year. The 'just in case' is worth a shot and we have him on contract. Let's see what him and McDaniels have.

My point is that any long term guaranteed contract before he has shown he has what it takes to win would be a huge mistake.

Give him two years and talk then, saving 5 million in 2026 doesn't matter if he is Alex Smith or Andy Dalton. Every season so far says that he is.