Emo Andy Dalton after a trip to Sephora on Groundhog Day (Carr thread)

[RaiderandBulldog]

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[Opoponax50]

[quote=VEfreak post_id=1084016]If it was year one then it’s a fun and interesting conversation about why he sucks and how it can be fixed. But alas, it’s year nine, he stills sucks, and we have to watch him Sunday after Sunday after Sunday.[/quote]Very true. Year's 1, 2, and 3 were all interesting because he appeared to be on a consistent upward trajectory. He wasn't seeing certain receivers that were open, he was forcing some throws, he wasn't taking advantage of running lanes, etc. They were all things one would expect to see in a good but new NFL QB.

It's now 2022 and those same things still plague his game.

Also, it seems relevant to point out that there was very little criticism of him for his first four years. Even after the poor 2017 campaign, everyone was willing to blame the OC and Carr's early season back injury. It then took him 3 years to master Grudens system before finally having a decent year in 2020 with respect to TD passes.

Oh, and we don't have to watch this team. The only reason I'm not golfing every Saturday and Sunday is because for all practical purposes, Carr's on a one year prove-it deal. Assuming things continue as they have for the last 6 years and three games, I won't watch next year if Carr's still our QB.

[Opoponax50]

[quote=Raider727 post_id=1084144]https://twitter.com/Sanjit__T/status/15 ... -FyuA&s=19

https://youtu.be/q9hBgOKIDEo

Hospital pass [/quote]Yep. If that pass is thrown low and even close to between the numbers, it's a TD or on the one inch line. Instead, it's a bullet thrown high and behind Waller. Good QBs don't make such poor throws

[16 to 88]

[quote=Be_Easy_25 post_id=1084093]https://twitter.com/rdr_raider/status/1 ... FJCRq3NpNQ

Sorry if repost.
But necessary.[/quote]"that's only 3 clips"...

[FlyBono24]

[quote=16 to 88 post_id=1084149]"that's only 3 clips"...[/quote]So f[raiders_icon]cking stupid.

You could take game film from ANY QB in this league and find 3-4 clips of shitty throws or bad reads..... Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes, whoever....

Some people (including 90% in this thread) think every other QB is elite and Carr is the only one that makes mistakes. Apparently they don't pay attention to other games because QB play all around the league is shaky right now.

If they want a TRULY objective stat... not just PPG (because that could be skewed by your defense generating turnovers, i.e. more possessions).... look at Offensive Efficiency. This is % of drives that end in a score (TD or FG).
Currently the Raiders are 3rd in OffEff.... 48.3% of drives end in points.

Surprisingly #1 and 2 are the Jaguars and Browns.
#3 is the Bills
#4 is the Chiefs

[Hellbound]

[quote=FlyBono24 post_id=1084153]So f[raiders_icon]cking stupid.

You could take game film from ANY QB in this league and find 3-4 clips of shitty throws or bad reads..... Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes, whoever....

Some people (including 90% in this thread) think every other QB is elite and Carr is the only one that makes mistakes. Apparently they don't pay attention to other games because QB play all around the league is shaky right now.

If they want a TRULY objective stat... not just PPG (because that could be skewed by your defense generating turnovers, i.e. more possessions).... look at Offensive Efficiency. This is % of drives that end in a score (TD or FG).
Currently the Raiders are 3rd in OffEff.... 48.3% of drives end in points.

Surprisingly #1 and 2 are the Jaguars and Browns.
#3 is the Bills
#4 is the Chiefs[/quote]Big difference between those drives ending in fg or touchdowns

[sdraider85]

It’s only year 9 and he still has no help




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[Sir Raider Duck, OMS]

[quote=tatalalicious post_id=1084010]You know someone in the league office probably suckered him into hiring McDaniels and his gm buddy. Deal came out of nowhere and closed real fast.[/quote]Can we please save the Tinfoil Hat Club paranoia for another thread?

[NoThanksSir]

[quote=FlyBono24 post_id=1084153]So f[raiders_icon]cking stupid.

You could take game film from ANY QB in this league and find 3-4 clips of shitty throws or bad reads..... Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes, whoever....

Some people (including 90% in this thread) think every other QB is elite and Carr is the only one that makes mistakes. Apparently they don't pay attention to other games because QB play all around the league is shaky right now.

If they want a TRULY objective stat... not just PPG (because that could be skewed by your defense generating turnovers, i.e. more possessions).... look at Offensive Efficiency. This is % of drives that end in a score (TD or FG).
Currently the Raiders are 3rd in OffEff.... 48.3% of drives end in points.

Surprisingly #1 and 2 are the Jaguars and Browns.
#3 is the Bills
#4 is the Chiefs[/quote]How are both the Raiders and Bills third?

[Raiders Baby]

[quote=Opoponax50 post_id=1084146]Very true. Year's 1, 2, and 3 were all interesting because he appeared to be on a consistent upward trajectory. He wasn't seeing certain receivers that were open, he was forcing some throws, he wasn't taking advantage of running lanes, etc. They were all things one would expect to see in a good but new NFL QB.

It's now 2022 and those same things still plague his game.

Also, it seems relevant to point out that there was very little criticism of him for his first four years. Even after the poor 2017 campaign, everyone was willing to blame the OC and Carr's early season back injury. It then took him 3 years to master Grudens system before finally having a decent year in 2020 with respect to TD passes.

Oh, and we don't have to watch this team. The only reason I'm not golfing every Saturday and Sunday is because for all practical purposes, Carr's on a one year prove-it deal. Assuming things continue as they have for the last 6 years and three games, I won't watch next year if Carr's still our QB.[/quote]I already told my fiancé, if Carr is our QB next season I’m not paying for Sunday Ticket. Maybe I’ll switch to MLB Extra Innings? Football is my favorite sport, but in baseball I’m a Braves fan, so at least I’d be spending my $ on something that adds a mostly positive experience to my life.

I already paid for Sunday Ticket this season, and I’m too cheap not to watch out of spite, but you bet your ass I won’t be paying next year if Carr is still our QB. What’s the point? Might as well be watching reruns from any of his previous seasons. Maybe I’ll stream games illegally, or go to a bar, but I pay for ST so I can stream games on a big screen without interruptions or thinking too hard to make it happen. Basically, it’s the best way to guarantee I can see the raiders in an optimal way. That’s not a product worth paying for anymore, and if we’re being honest it hasn’t been in a while.

I will continue to pay if it is ANYONE But Carr. I love the Raiders, and I’m willing to keep an open mind for literally anyone besides Carr. But with #4, I’ve seen enough. He is guilty until proven innocent, and at this point I don’t even want to hear his case anymore

[signal]

[quote=Raiders Baby post_id=1084168]I already told my fiancé, if Carr is our QB next season I’m not paying for Sunday Ticket. Maybe I’ll switch to MLB Extra Innings? Football is my favorite sport, but in baseball I’m a Braves fan, so at least I’d be spending my $ on something that adds a mostly positive experience to my life.

I already paid for Sunday Ticket this season, and I’m too cheap not to watch out of spite, but you bet your ass I won’t be paying next year if Carr is still our QB. What’s the point? Might as well be watching reruns from any of his previous seasons. Maybe I’ll stream games illegally, or go to a bar, but I pay for ST so I can stream games on a big screen without interruptions or thinking too hard to make it happen. Basically, it’s the best way to guarantee I can see the raiders in an optimal way. That’s not a product worth paying for anymore, and if we’re being honest it hasn’t been in a while.

I will continue to pay if it is ANYONE But Carr. I love the Raiders, and I’m willing to keep an open mind for literally anyone besides Carr. But with #4, I’ve seen enough. He is guilty until proven innocent, and at this point I don’t even want to hear his case anymore[/quote]I fully understand where you are coming from. It is frustrating and it is embarrassing to watch your QB game in game out not play with grit, hustle, or an aggressive attitude of wanting to rip the opposing team a new one.

It gets old watching him fold whenever adversity occurs; watching him go deer in headlights whenever the D brings pressure; watching him go with his only read while not seeing wide open WRs; watching him pout on the sidelines like the universe is treating him badly; watching a player who simply likes to win but does not hate to lose; watching a player throw it away on fourth down; watching a player fumble the ball in order to break his fall; and finally, watching a player who seems to be only concerned with just doing enough to maintain his career while the organization continues to go down the f[raiders_icon]cking drain.

It is difficult to watch. I hear you.

I can only hope that Z constructed Carr's contract with a purpose in mind.

[NoThanksSir]

I sprung for Redzone this year, and it's easily the best money you can spend on football. Commercial free football all Sunday. I admit I flipped over to Redzone after halftime last week, and never went back to the Raider game. Life is getting busy to the point that I can't afford to watch multiple games a week. If the only game I watch is the Raiders, I grow to hate football by the time November rolls around. Things have been much more enjoyable this way.

[Sir Raider Duck, OMS]

[quote=NoThanksSir post_id=1084171]I sprung for Redzone this year, and it's easily the best money you can spend on football. Commercial free football all Sunday. I admit I flipped over to Redzone after halftime last week, and never went back to the Raider game. Life is getting busy to the point that I can't afford to watch multiple games a week. If the only game I watch is the Raiders, I grow to hate football by the time November rolls around. Things have been much more enjoyable this way.[/quote]Which one do you have: NFL RedZone with Scott Hanson, or DirecTV Red Zone Channel with Andrew Siciliano (aka the dude with the ears)? I have the latter, as it comes free with Sunday Ticket's U package.

[Attyla]

[quote=FlyBono24 post_id=1084153]So f[raiders_icon]cking stupid.

You could take game film from ANY QB in this league and find 3-4 clips of shitty throws or bad reads..... Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes, whoever....

Some people (including 90% in this thread) think every other QB is elite and Carr is the only one that makes mistakes. Apparently they don't pay attention to other games because QB play all around the league is shaky right now.

If they want a TRULY objective stat... not just PPG (because that could be skewed by your defense generating turnovers, i.e. more possessions).... look at Offensive Efficiency. This is % of drives that end in a score (TD or FG).
Currently the Raiders are 3rd in OffEff.... 48.3% of drives end in points.

Surprisingly #1 and 2 are the Jaguars and Browns.
#3 is the Bills
#4 is the Chiefs[/quote]didn't you use points scored to justify Carr's existance?

[sdraider85]

[quote=Attyla post_id=1084179]didn't you use points scored to justify Carr's existance?[/quote]How is he expected to score if he can’t move the goal posts?

[NoThanksSir]

[quote=Sir Raider Duck, OMS post_id=1084177]Which one do you have: NFL RedZone with Scott Hanson, or DirecTV Red Zone Channel with Andrew Siciliano (aka the dude with the ears)? I have the latter, as it comes free with Sunday Ticket's U package.[/quote]I don't have Direct TV so I'm assuming the one with Scott Hanson. I cut the cord awhile back so I just pay for a sling tv streaming subscription for football season. With that I can typically get most of the nationally televised games and redzone for about 40 bucks a month? The plan is to cancel some time in december as I don't really watch normal tv otherwise.