Emo Andy Dalton after a trip to Sephora on Groundhog Day (Carr thread)

[RaiderandBulldog]

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I commented to another poster a page back regarding Carr being a solid starter and you chimed in that he is a hair above average. So out of 1-32 give me a specific number. And while you are at it tell me how many yards he will throw for this year, how many TD's, how many INT's.

[GoodTimeCharlie]

[quote=16 to 88 post_id=1075852]I commented to another poster a page back regarding Carr being a solid starter and you chimed in that he is a hair above average. So out of 1-32 give me a specific number. And while you are at it tell me how many yards he will throw for this year, how many TD's, how many INT's.[/quote]By “chiming in” do you mean that I commented on a post in a forum? Are we all “chiming in”, or is that description reserved for your favorites?

As to his yards, TD’s, INT’s, etc. etc. I’ll know better at the end of the season. If you need it now, you’ll have to figure it out yourself.

[16 to 88]

[quote=GoodTimeCharlie post_id=1075861]By “chiming in” do you mean that I commented on a post in a forum? Are we all “chiming in”, or is that description reserved for your favorites?

As to his yards, TD’s, INT’s, etc. etc. I’ll know better at the end of the season. If you need it now, you’ll have to figure it out yourself.[/quote]Did I say there was anything wrong with chiming in?

No, I didn't. As a matter of fact it's just the opposite. I look forward to others thoughts/discussions/ideas. That's why I asked you in the first place and why I come on here.

I asked a simple question which you have completely avoided. If it takes you to the end of the season to calculate how he will do when the writing is on the wall I find that laughable. Hey! I knew the rams were going to win the Super Bowl right after they won it! And no, I don't need to know what you think especially if it takes you to the end of the season! <---- goofy!

[GoodTimeCharlie]

[quote=16 to 88 post_id=1075866]Did I say there was anything wrong with chiming in?

No, I didn't. As a matter of fact it's just the opposite. I look forward to others thoughts/discussions/ideas. That's why I asked you in the first place and why I come on here.

I asked a simple question which you have completely avoided. If it takes you to the end of the season to calculate how he will do when the writing is on the wall I find that laughable. Hey! I knew the rams were going to win the Super Bowl right after they won it! And no, I don't need to know what you think especially if it takes you to the end of the season! <---- goofy![/quote]Cute. Passive-aggression, then retraction masked with humor.

It’s probably generational. I didn’t grow up with a sports industry propped up with people falling under the misguided belief that their sports opinions (“hot takes”) have merit.

So yes, you asked me to tell you what some of Carr’s stats would be. Being a man that prefers to deal in facts with numbers, I can tell you what they are when the season is over. If you want to hear people guessing shit, there’s plenty of others that can getcha what you need.

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[quote=GoodTimeCharlie post_id=1075871]Cute. Passive-aggression, then retraction masked with humor.

It’s probably generational. I didn’t grow up with a sports industry propped up with people falling under the misguided belief that their sports opinions (“hot takes”) have merit.

So yes, you asked me to tell you what some of Carr’s stats would be.[/quote]Good Time Charlie!?!

Aren't you a laugh a minute!

Being a man that prefers to deal in facts with numbers, I can tell you what they are when the season is over.

Is that what you think you are is a man?

For the second time now as I stated in my last response to you already... no, I don't need to know what you think especially if it takes you to the end of the season to see the final numbers! <---- goofy!

Oh! And you're smart too!

[RaiderandBulldog]

Someone posted this on the chat. The first eight years of Brady, The first eight years of Carr
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Situations do matter.

[rich72]

[quote=RaiderandBulldog post_id=1076016]Someone posted this on the chat. The first eight years of Brady, The first eight years of Carr
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Situations do matter.[/quote]Brady wasnt stat padding though, he was winning games.

[Robblake]

[quote=rich72 post_id=1076017]Brady wasnt stat padding though, he was winning games.[/quote]Yeah one had a functional ownership down to players compared to massive incompetent leadership

[RI RAIDER]

[quote=rich72 post_id=1076017]Brady wasnt stat padding though, he was winning games.[/quote]Actually, BB was a f[raiders_icon]cking douche bag who notoriously ran up the score on teams and had Brady slinging late in games when the outcome was already decided. I hate when coaches unnecessarily expose QB's when a win is secured (see douche bag JDR on 12/24/16 when he potentially cost a legitimate chance for a Super Bowl and DC a chance at the league MVP).

[Hellbound]

[quote=RI RAIDER post_id=1076020]Actually, BB was a f[raiders_icon]cking douche bag who notoriously ran up the score on teams and had Brady slinging late in games when the outcome was already decided. I hate when coaches unnecessarily expose QB's when a win is secured (see douche bag JDR on 12/24/16 when he potentially cost a legitimate chance for a Super Bowl and DC a chance at the league MVP).[/quote]That team wasn't winning the SB and Carr wasn't winning MVP

[raider_kin]

[quote=RI RAIDER post_id=1076020]Actually, BB was a f[raiders_icon]cking douche bag who notoriously ran up the score on teams and had Brady slinging late in games when the outcome was already decided. I hate when coaches unnecessarily expose QB's when a win is secured (see douche bag JDR on 12/24/16 when he potentially cost a legitimate chance for a Super Bowl and DC a chance at the league MVP).[/quote]What did he do?

[RI RAIDER]

[quote=Hellbound post_id=1076021]That team wasn't winning the SB and Carr wasn't winning MVP[/quote]That is your take and that is cool. At the time of the injury, there was no denying DC was being talked about as a candidate of being an MVP and we were on our way to being the #1 seed in the AFC.

[Attyla]

[quote=RI RAIDER post_id=1076023]That is your take and that is cool. At the time of the injury, there was no denying DC was being talked about as a candidate of being an MVP and we were on our way to being the #1 seed in the AFC.[/quote]at the time of his injury, Matt Ryan had secured the MVP and Carr was not in the top 5. Also, at the time of his injury, KC had locked up first in the division due to the head to head tie breaker. Also, the Pats had locked up the #1 seed in the AFC. Carr had faded out of contention due to a less than stellar December statistically. Ryan had more yards, far more TDs and was clearly the top guy with Brady and a few others in the mix.

[RI RAIDER]

[quote=Attyla post_id=1076024]at the time of his injury, Matt Ryan had secured the MVP and Carr was not in the top 5. Also, at the time of his injury, KC had locked up first in the division due to the head to head tie breaker. Also, the Pats had locked up the #1 seed in the AFC. Carr had faded out of contention due to a less than stellar December statistically. Ryan had more yards, far more TDs and was clearly the top guy with Brady and a few others in the mix.[/quote]Carr finished 3rd in MVP voting and was actually talked about as the leader (he went down a peg after the 2nd KC nightmare). Who knows where he would have finished but I would have like to see how it all ended with him behind center.

Raiders would have clinched the AFC West the following week as they were a game ahead of KC at the time (negated KC's head to head victories at the time).
https://www.espn.com/nfl/recap/_/gameId/400874546

Raiders were in the running for the #1 seed as they had the tie breaker over the Patsies and the Pats had Miami the last game of the season at Miami (who had won 9 out of their last 10 at that time.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-s ... story.html

[Attyla]

[quote=RI RAIDER post_id=1076026]Carr finished 3rd in MVP voting and was actually talked about as the leader (he went down a peg after the 2nd KC nightmare). Who knows where he would have finished but I would have like to see how it all ended with him behind center.

Raiders would have clinched the AFC West the following week as they were a game ahead of KC at the time (negated KC's head to head victories at the time).
https://www.espn.com/nfl/recap/_/gameId/400874546

Raiders were in the running for the #1 seed as they had the tie breaker over the Patsies and the Pats had Miami the last game of the season at Miami (who had won 9 out of their last 10 at that time.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-s ... story.html[/quote]Carr did TIE for third, I stand corrected, but he was never in the running for the win after his December slump

The Patriots had a 2 game lead with one left when Carr went out, given they had won their match up that week. The Phins game would not have changed anything.

As for him being a leader? There was absolutely no talk outside Raiders fans of him being in the running. Mattie Ice had locked it up. There is no doubt of that. And we were going to be playing the same Broncos team no matter who was under center. And other than the Chiefs, that team in December had given up very few points. That defense was not going to give us enough thunder to even get Carr back into contention.