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[quote=Raider727 post_id=1073219]The way you are making excuses you could argue the safety wasn't covering Jones or Waller and he was just in the area, so in that case Waller wasn't covered by anyone. Either way I'm pretty sure we have debated this before many times yet you still defending it for some reason.[/quote]Sorry, you're late to the party.
He already agreed he was wrong. But hey! You continue on. lol
He already agreed he was wrong. But hey! You continue on. lol
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Carr has been the starting QB for 8 seasons in a row.
8 seasons in a row.
If his name wasn't Carr, this board would mostly agree that a QB starting his 9th season as the starter for the same team... he must be pretty damn good, because most HCs and GMs last less than 5 full seasons... and new HCs and GMs like to start over with their own QB choice.
In 2022, Carr's physical skill level > Brady's physical skill level. No reason to want to replace Carr with Brady. No reason at all.
8 seasons in a row.
If his name wasn't Carr, this board would mostly agree that a QB starting his 9th season as the starter for the same team... he must be pretty damn good, because most HCs and GMs last less than 5 full seasons... and new HCs and GMs like to start over with their own QB choice.
In 2022, Carr's physical skill level > Brady's physical skill level. No reason to want to replace Carr with Brady. No reason at all.
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[quote=16 to 88 post_id=1073227]At least that's a start. You finally stopped lying about the triple coverage.
Let's see if we can straighten you out on the rest and keep in mind, I pounded the table last OFF season ALL off season long to trade him while we could. But that ship sailed. I still am hoping that now he finally has one of the best OC's in the game and a host of supreme weapons that he will finally make me eat my words.
Would love nothing more than that.
Does it fix his flaws? No. But you never seem to point out his strengths. Let the hate flow through you young Jedi.
Does that remove his two forth and games? No.
Does it fix the player with the third most turnovers in the NFL since 2018? Who knows!!!?!!!
Somewhat clever choice of words but a guy like me is going to call you on this. You are including his fumbles. Pretty much everyone who understands football does not call attention to a QB's fumbles. If any QB is behind an inferior OL (cough, cough) this can add on to whatever fumbles he has had. It's the interceptions that coaches are really concerned about. Which, Carr, is one of the better QB's in the league in this category. He takes good care of the ball.
Also, you cherry picked from 2018. Not from when he entered the league in 14. And I shouldn't have to point this out to you but I will anyways, although we could all do without the fumbles this does not necessarily mean he will continue that trend. Sorry, weak argument.
Does it fix his bottom tier redzone offense? No.
Does that fix the 31st ranked offense over the final 7 games of 2019?
Does that make him not have 16 turnovers to 11 TDs over the final 9 games of last season? No.
Does that cause him to put up a Jimmy G trash tier sub 70 passer rating in his playoff game? No.
I will answer all 4 of these in one fell swoop. But I will start by answering your question with a question...
Does it not matter that last year he lost his coach(!!!) and then the only viable wideout he had beside Hunter at the beginning of the season?
Just losing your HC alone, much less in the spectacular fashion we did would cause most teams to completely tank. I thought the season was over. Then, Henry Ruggs. He didn't lose him to IR which is bad enough, yet another stunning and horrible tragedy. Did we tank? I think just considering those two circumstances he did pretty good to hang in there.
But wait! There's more! Once again, for the millionth time we where penalized repeatedly. 124 times. 2nd in the league. So we had to over come that. Our OL was in shambles, we had to overcome that... too. But at least we had our running game! Oops, no to that also. We finished 28th in rushing. If you are calculating, and I hope you are, that's the bottom 5 in the league. Am I missing anything else? Greg Olson at OC and play caller!!?! There's another.
With all that hanging over our heads I say it's a miracle we won any games at all.
Derek Carr 2021...
Attempts 626
Completions 428
Passing Yards 4804 (5th in the league)
Completion Percentage 68.4 (higher then the 4 QB's in front of him)
Yards per attempt 7.7 (higher then 3 of the 4 QB's in front of him)
Touchdowns 23
Interceptions 14
Sacked 40 times
Or if you like we can reverse engineer. Not a QB in the league (much less the 4 above him) had happened to him last year with Gruden and Ruggs that happened to Derek.
The 4 QB's above him all have legitimate OC's calling their games.
The 4 QB's above him all had better running games.
The 4 QB's above him all had better OL's and incurred far less sacks.
The 4 QB's above him all had to deal with less penalties.
Does this not count for anything? I think anybody with even a little football common sense would agree what he had to endure last year and overcame was pretty incredible. And I'm not a Carr fan as you know.
But I call it like it is...[/quote]I never said he does not have good attributes. Noone ranks him 11-13 without that. The entire conversation was about how the defense plays very little in the evaluation of Carr as a QB.
Turnovers are turnovers. You know the kid fumbles at an incredible clip. '18 was the last stat I have read about that, it was not a clever choice of words. It is linked here in the last 10 pages. To act like the NFL shrugs off fumbles is a good deal of assuming on your part. The turnover battle decides more games than almost any other stat and Carr is honestly a football pinata, there is no denying that.
As to last season, you say his continued failure to play football at a high level when we get into the playoff hunt - is coaching? Well, '19, if you recall with the easiest schedule left and 6 or 7 games to go, we were almost locked in. That is when the offense fell apart ranking 31st over the final 7 games. '17 in the hunt when he dove against Dallas, more of the same. '16 before the injury he was 17 for 41 passing with 117 yards against KC in December. That spans three coaches and for two of them he was in his second season or later. It was never the cold that made him play poorly, it was his inability to play under playoff pressure imo.
Last years playoff appearance, was in part to Carr, he won some big games for us to start the year. The defense picked up the slack in the second half of the season giving up only 19.1 ppg over that stretch. I don't credit Carr for much other than those first 4 games, he played those well and I never thought we would leave that gauntlet at 3-1. However, he really fell off a cliff as he always does and 16 turnovers to 11 TDs is terrible. I mean it man, that is awful, then tacking on a sub 70 passer rating playoff game - I mean really what is there to cheer for there? That he played poorly, but it was really emotionally tough too? I don't see the logic there.
I like having Carr here this year. We have too many good to great weapons to let a below average QB run the show. Carr is above average now finally and it shows.
At 30 million, I am in. In my book he will have to show that he is capable of leading a team in mto the playoffs and capable of putting in a good to great playoff game to be worth more.
As of right now, he looks pretty damn bad under pressure (for his career, besides his junior year in college) and that is on him to change that. Doubling down on a guy that plays his worst down the stretch is chasing a rainbow.
For good stuff, he is accurate and almost as physically talented as Rodgers in terms of passing imo. He has shown a lot of growth these last two years and some grit as well. He is great at hitting his first read quickly if available and he should really excel with Adams, Renfrow, and Waller.
I hope he lights it up, but that will be on him and not the defense, which was my only point.
Let's see if we can straighten you out on the rest and keep in mind, I pounded the table last OFF season ALL off season long to trade him while we could. But that ship sailed. I still am hoping that now he finally has one of the best OC's in the game and a host of supreme weapons that he will finally make me eat my words.
Would love nothing more than that.
Does it fix his flaws? No. But you never seem to point out his strengths. Let the hate flow through you young Jedi.
Does that remove his two forth and games? No.
Does it fix the player with the third most turnovers in the NFL since 2018? Who knows!!!?!!!
Somewhat clever choice of words but a guy like me is going to call you on this. You are including his fumbles. Pretty much everyone who understands football does not call attention to a QB's fumbles. If any QB is behind an inferior OL (cough, cough) this can add on to whatever fumbles he has had. It's the interceptions that coaches are really concerned about. Which, Carr, is one of the better QB's in the league in this category. He takes good care of the ball.
Also, you cherry picked from 2018. Not from when he entered the league in 14. And I shouldn't have to point this out to you but I will anyways, although we could all do without the fumbles this does not necessarily mean he will continue that trend. Sorry, weak argument.
Does it fix his bottom tier redzone offense? No.
Does that fix the 31st ranked offense over the final 7 games of 2019?
Does that make him not have 16 turnovers to 11 TDs over the final 9 games of last season? No.
Does that cause him to put up a Jimmy G trash tier sub 70 passer rating in his playoff game? No.
I will answer all 4 of these in one fell swoop. But I will start by answering your question with a question...
Does it not matter that last year he lost his coach(!!!) and then the only viable wideout he had beside Hunter at the beginning of the season?
Just losing your HC alone, much less in the spectacular fashion we did would cause most teams to completely tank. I thought the season was over. Then, Henry Ruggs. He didn't lose him to IR which is bad enough, yet another stunning and horrible tragedy. Did we tank? I think just considering those two circumstances he did pretty good to hang in there.
But wait! There's more! Once again, for the millionth time we where penalized repeatedly. 124 times. 2nd in the league. So we had to over come that. Our OL was in shambles, we had to overcome that... too. But at least we had our running game! Oops, no to that also. We finished 28th in rushing. If you are calculating, and I hope you are, that's the bottom 5 in the league. Am I missing anything else? Greg Olson at OC and play caller!!?! There's another.
With all that hanging over our heads I say it's a miracle we won any games at all.
Derek Carr 2021...
Attempts 626
Completions 428
Passing Yards 4804 (5th in the league)
Completion Percentage 68.4 (higher then the 4 QB's in front of him)
Yards per attempt 7.7 (higher then 3 of the 4 QB's in front of him)
Touchdowns 23
Interceptions 14
Sacked 40 times
Or if you like we can reverse engineer. Not a QB in the league (much less the 4 above him) had happened to him last year with Gruden and Ruggs that happened to Derek.
The 4 QB's above him all have legitimate OC's calling their games.
The 4 QB's above him all had better running games.
The 4 QB's above him all had better OL's and incurred far less sacks.
The 4 QB's above him all had to deal with less penalties.
Does this not count for anything? I think anybody with even a little football common sense would agree what he had to endure last year and overcame was pretty incredible. And I'm not a Carr fan as you know.
But I call it like it is...[/quote]I never said he does not have good attributes. Noone ranks him 11-13 without that. The entire conversation was about how the defense plays very little in the evaluation of Carr as a QB.
Turnovers are turnovers. You know the kid fumbles at an incredible clip. '18 was the last stat I have read about that, it was not a clever choice of words. It is linked here in the last 10 pages. To act like the NFL shrugs off fumbles is a good deal of assuming on your part. The turnover battle decides more games than almost any other stat and Carr is honestly a football pinata, there is no denying that.
As to last season, you say his continued failure to play football at a high level when we get into the playoff hunt - is coaching? Well, '19, if you recall with the easiest schedule left and 6 or 7 games to go, we were almost locked in. That is when the offense fell apart ranking 31st over the final 7 games. '17 in the hunt when he dove against Dallas, more of the same. '16 before the injury he was 17 for 41 passing with 117 yards against KC in December. That spans three coaches and for two of them he was in his second season or later. It was never the cold that made him play poorly, it was his inability to play under playoff pressure imo.
Last years playoff appearance, was in part to Carr, he won some big games for us to start the year. The defense picked up the slack in the second half of the season giving up only 19.1 ppg over that stretch. I don't credit Carr for much other than those first 4 games, he played those well and I never thought we would leave that gauntlet at 3-1. However, he really fell off a cliff as he always does and 16 turnovers to 11 TDs is terrible. I mean it man, that is awful, then tacking on a sub 70 passer rating playoff game - I mean really what is there to cheer for there? That he played poorly, but it was really emotionally tough too? I don't see the logic there.
I like having Carr here this year. We have too many good to great weapons to let a below average QB run the show. Carr is above average now finally and it shows.
At 30 million, I am in. In my book he will have to show that he is capable of leading a team in mto the playoffs and capable of putting in a good to great playoff game to be worth more.
As of right now, he looks pretty damn bad under pressure (for his career, besides his junior year in college) and that is on him to change that. Doubling down on a guy that plays his worst down the stretch is chasing a rainbow.
For good stuff, he is accurate and almost as physically talented as Rodgers in terms of passing imo. He has shown a lot of growth these last two years and some grit as well. He is great at hitting his first read quickly if available and he should really excel with Adams, Renfrow, and Waller.
I hope he lights it up, but that will be on him and not the defense, which was my only point.
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[quote=Ivanavich post_id=1073229]Carr has been the starting QB for 8 seasons in a row.
8 seasons in a row.
If his name wasn't Carr, this board would mostly agree that a QB starting his 9th season as the starter for the same team... he must be pretty damn good, because most HCs and GMs last less than 5 full seasons... and new HCs and GMs like to start over with their own QB choice.
In 2022, Carr's physical skill level > Brady's physical skill level. No reason to want to replace Carr with Brady. No reason at all.[/quote]being a QB in the NFL requires a lot of mental toughness and clarity. The best are rarely the best physical players, but they are universally mentally strong. I would take the football smart Brady any day of the week.
8 seasons in a row.
If his name wasn't Carr, this board would mostly agree that a QB starting his 9th season as the starter for the same team... he must be pretty damn good, because most HCs and GMs last less than 5 full seasons... and new HCs and GMs like to start over with their own QB choice.
In 2022, Carr's physical skill level > Brady's physical skill level. No reason to want to replace Carr with Brady. No reason at all.
[/quote]being a QB in the NFL requires a lot of mental toughness and clarity. The best are rarely the best physical players, but they are universally mentally strong. I would take the football smart Brady any day of the week.-
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[quote=Ivanavich post_id=1073229]Carr has been the starting QB for 8 seasons in a row.
8 seasons in a row.
If his name wasn't Carr, this board would mostly agree that a QB starting his 9th season as the starter for the same team... he must be pretty damn good, because most HCs and GMs last less than 5 full seasons... and new HCs and GMs like to start over with their own QB choice.
In 2022, Carr's physical skill level > Brady's physical skill level. No reason to want to replace Carr with Brady. No reason at all.[/quote]Andy Dalton. He must be pretty damn good.
8 seasons in a row.
If his name wasn't Carr, this board would mostly agree that a QB starting his 9th season as the starter for the same team... he must be pretty damn good, because most HCs and GMs last less than 5 full seasons... and new HCs and GMs like to start over with their own QB choice.
In 2022, Carr's physical skill level > Brady's physical skill level. No reason to want to replace Carr with Brady. No reason at all.
[/quote]Andy Dalton. He must be pretty damn good.-
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[quote=Ivanavich post_id=1073229]Carr has been the starting QB for 8 seasons in a row.
8 seasons in a row.
If his name wasn't Carr, this board would mostly agree that a QB starting his 9th season as the starter for the same team... he must be pretty damn good, because most HCs and GMs last less than 5 full seasons... and new HCs and GMs like to start over with their own QB choice.
In 2022, Carr's physical skill level > Brady's physical skill level. No reason to want to replace Carr with Brady. No reason at all. :clap:[/quote]Are you suggesting Carr is a coach/GM killer?
;)
8 seasons in a row.
If his name wasn't Carr, this board would mostly agree that a QB starting his 9th season as the starter for the same team... he must be pretty damn good, because most HCs and GMs last less than 5 full seasons... and new HCs and GMs like to start over with their own QB choice.
In 2022, Carr's physical skill level > Brady's physical skill level. No reason to want to replace Carr with Brady. No reason at all. :clap:[/quote]Are you suggesting Carr is a coach/GM killer?
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Goodbye you sissy f[raiders_icon]cking fetal failure.
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[quote=JRaider17 post_id=1073401]https://twitter.com/TyDunne/status/1561700206881767429[/quote] Smart man . Another TRUTH speaker like Gruden.
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[quote=RaiderandBulldog post_id=1073112]Has Carr ever had a defense that Good?[/quote]
Here are the 25 Worst Defenses in the Superbowl Era [ that's 56 years ] for those of you that can't count.
There is only ONE quarterback on that list that did NOT have a LOSING record.
And that quarterback is the ELITE DEREK CARR ! When you do something that no other quarterback has done in a over a half century , you are f[raiders_icon]cking ELITE !
2020 : Superbowl winning QB Matt Stafford couldn't do it !
1972 : Superbowl winning QB Jim Plunkett couldn't do it !
2009 : Superbowl winning QB Matt Stafford couldn't do it !
1975 : Superbowl winning & HOF QB Joe Namath couldn't do it !
2001 : Superbowl winning & HOF QB Peyton Manning couldn't do it !
2015 : Superbowl winning & soon to be HOF QB Drew Brees couldn't do it !
BUT THE GREAT DEREK CARR DID IT !!!
...suck on that and learn football you Carr bigots.
Tell us again that defense is irrelevant and make a fool of yourself again .
Here are the 25 Worst Defenses in the Superbowl Era [ that's 56 years ] for those of you that can't count.
There is only ONE quarterback on that list that did NOT have a LOSING record.
And that quarterback is the ELITE DEREK CARR ! When you do something that no other quarterback has done in a over a half century , you are f[raiders_icon]cking ELITE !
2020 : Superbowl winning QB Matt Stafford couldn't do it !
1972 : Superbowl winning QB Jim Plunkett couldn't do it !
2009 : Superbowl winning QB Matt Stafford couldn't do it !
1975 : Superbowl winning & HOF QB Joe Namath couldn't do it !
2001 : Superbowl winning & HOF QB Peyton Manning couldn't do it !
2015 : Superbowl winning & soon to be HOF QB Drew Brees couldn't do it !
BUT THE GREAT DEREK CARR DID IT !!!
...suck on that and learn football you Carr bigots.
Tell us again that defense is irrelevant and make a fool of yourself again .
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[quote=HOLYRAIDER post_id=1073446]
Here are the 25 Worst Defenses in the Superbowl Era [ that's 56 years ] for those of you that can't count.
There is only ONE quarterback on that list that did NOT have a LOSING record.
And that quarterback is the ELITE DEREK CARR ! When you do something that no other quarterback has done in a over a half century , you are f[raiders_icon]cking ELITE !
2020 : Superbowl winning QB Matt Stafford couldn't do it !
1972 : Superbowl winning QB Jim Plunkett couldn't do it !
2009 : Superbowl winning QB Matt Stafford couldn't do it !
1975 : Superbowl winning & HOF QB Joe Namath couldn't do it !
2001 : Superbowl winning & HOF QB Peyton Manning couldn't do it !
2015 : Superbowl winning & soon to be HOF QB Drew Brees couldn't do it !
BUT THE GREAT DEREK CARR DID IT !!!
...suck on that and learn football you Carr bigots.
Tell us again that defense is irrelevant and make a fool of yourself again .[/quote]For some reason when I read this, I saw a guy crying in a bathtub and recreating the "leave Britney alone" video
Here are the 25 Worst Defenses in the Superbowl Era [ that's 56 years ] for those of you that can't count.
There is only ONE quarterback on that list that did NOT have a LOSING record.
And that quarterback is the ELITE DEREK CARR ! When you do something that no other quarterback has done in a over a half century , you are f[raiders_icon]cking ELITE !
2020 : Superbowl winning QB Matt Stafford couldn't do it !
1972 : Superbowl winning QB Jim Plunkett couldn't do it !
2009 : Superbowl winning QB Matt Stafford couldn't do it !
1975 : Superbowl winning & HOF QB Joe Namath couldn't do it !
2001 : Superbowl winning & HOF QB Peyton Manning couldn't do it !
2015 : Superbowl winning & soon to be HOF QB Drew Brees couldn't do it !
BUT THE GREAT DEREK CARR DID IT !!!
...suck on that and learn football you Carr bigots.
Tell us again that defense is irrelevant and make a fool of yourself again .[/quote]For some reason when I read this, I saw a guy crying in a bathtub and recreating the "leave Britney alone" video
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[quote=Hellbound post_id=1073457]For some reason when I read this, I saw a guy crying in a bathtub and recreating the "leave Britney alone" video[/quote]you mean like this?
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[quote=Hellbound post_id=1073457]For some reason when I read this, I saw a guy crying in a bathtub and recreating the "leave Britney alone" video[/quote] That means absolutely nothing to me.
I don't watch the Bolshevik Brainwashing Tell-Lie-Vision or any degenerate garbage that spews out of JollyWood.
That's for you vaxxed lemmings to consume.
But as usual, when i put the facts up , you have no leg to stand on and resort to nonsense. The Truth can't be disputed.
I don't watch the Bolshevik Brainwashing Tell-Lie-Vision or any degenerate garbage that spews out of JollyWood.
That's for you vaxxed lemmings to consume.
But as usual, when i put the facts up , you have no leg to stand on and resort to nonsense. The Truth can't be disputed.
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[quote=Attyla post_id=1073460]you mean like this?
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