Emo Andy Dalton after a trip to Sephora on Groundhog Day (Carr thread)
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[quote=KennyPowers post_id=1072154]He was an option pre snap. But after the snap with him jogging. He was not longer an option. Waiting another second would have led to a sacks and then you would have been bitching about him holding the ball too long The good ones don't pump fake. Its wasted movement and too many things can happen.[/quote]keep telling yourself that chet. a throw into double coverage short of the endzone trumps anything you can imagine. ONE and done is the result we got. that is your boy's fault.
I am actually not sure why you are defending this shit.
I am actually not sure why you are defending this shit.
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[quote=KennyPowers post_id=1072148]What is it 1970? Who pump fakes? If Waller actually ran the route at over 25% he may've gotten the ball. But since he was no where near the end zone or even out of his break yet. He wasn't an option.[/quote]Not to mention the defender had Waller covered from the snap.
If Carr "pump fakes" and tosses it into the end zone to Waller, like the geniuses here keep whining about... it gets picked off or tipped away.
Then they would keep whining about Carr making bad decisions by "throwing to Waller when he's covered"
If Carr "pump fakes" and tosses it into the end zone to Waller, like the geniuses here keep whining about... it gets picked off or tipped away.
Then they would keep whining about Carr making bad decisions by "throwing to Waller when he's covered"
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[quote=RaiderandBulldog post_id=1072156]https://twitter.com/nfloncbs/status/1559900998520406017
FYI Kermit's on pace for 30,385 Yards.[/quote]Alot of garbage time against prevent defense.
FYI Kermit's on pace for 30,385 Yards.[/quote]Alot of garbage time against prevent defense.
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[quote=FlyBono24 post_id=1072159]Not to mention the defender had Waller covered from the snap.
If Carr "pump fakes" and tosses it into the end zone to Waller, like the geniuses here keep whining about... it gets picked off or tipped away.
Then they would keep whining about Carr making bad decisions by "throwing to Waller when he's covered" :rofl:[/quote]Isn’t that what happened except he threw very short of the end zone? Why not throw to the mismatch in the end zone again?
If Carr "pump fakes" and tosses it into the end zone to Waller, like the geniuses here keep whining about... it gets picked off or tipped away.
Then they would keep whining about Carr making bad decisions by "throwing to Waller when he's covered" :rofl:[/quote]Isn’t that what happened except he threw very short of the end zone? Why not throw to the mismatch in the end zone again?
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[quote=Xramfan post_id=1072161]Isn’t that what happened except he threw very short of the end zone? Why not throw to the mismatch in the end zone again?[/quote]Because Waller was 8 yards away from the end zone. On the 2nd down play Jones ran the same route as on 4th down. Waller was open the 2 yard line. But I don't know if he would have gotten in. Watch Waller on all the routes on that last drive. Then watch him on the 4th down play. He is giving no effort on the last play. I think he was a decoy.
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[quote=KennyPowers post_id=1072155]This proves what. That QB's scramble and tuck it and run. Not really the same thing.[/quote]Guy asks who pump fakes. Is it 1970? Herdy-har-har. Gets shown video of Aaron Rodgers, Mahomes, etc. pump-faking. Moves goalpost.
Your a man after Barnum & Bailey’s heart.
Your a man after Barnum & Bailey’s heart.
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[quote=FlyBono24 post_id=1072159]
Not to mention the defender had Waller covered from the snap.
If Carr "pump fakes" and tosses it into the end zone to Waller, like the geniuses here keep whining about... it gets picked off or tipped away.
Then they would keep whining about Carr making bad decisions by "throwing to Waller when he's covered"[/quote][quote=Xramfan post_id=1072161]Isn’t that what happened except he threw very short of the end zone? Why not throw to the mismatch in the end zone again?[/quote]https://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lubd1zhfbH1qeeql4.gif
“It’s not Carr, Toto. It…, it.., it just can’t be!!!”
Not to mention the defender had Waller covered from the snap.
If Carr "pump fakes" and tosses it into the end zone to Waller, like the geniuses here keep whining about... it gets picked off or tipped away.
Then they would keep whining about Carr making bad decisions by "throwing to Waller when he's covered"
[/quote][quote=Xramfan post_id=1072161]Isn’t that what happened except he threw very short of the end zone? Why not throw to the mismatch in the end zone again?[/quote]https://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lubd1zhfbH1qeeql4.gif“It’s not Carr, Toto. It…, it.., it just can’t be!!!”
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CARR VS THE NEXT 10
Who you got?
Which quarterbacks are next up for new deals?
With Kyler Murray becoming the latest quarterback to land a major contract, let’s take a look at who’s next to cash in, either this year or next. (Or, maybe, not at all.)
Lamar Jackson.
The Ravens quarterback spent months resisting the team’s overtures to do a long-term deal. Now, he wants to get his second contract. Complicating matters is that he has no agent. He has said that contracts signed by other quarterbacks don’t matter to him, which is a clear example of why he desperately needs an agent. Those other deals become precedent for his own, a bar that he should strive to meet or to exceed.
It’s a challenge to separate team from self when it comes to getting a fair contract. Some players get brainwashed by the idea that they owe it to the broader effort to leave extra meat on the bone. Other players recognize that their duty to themselves and their families is to maximize the value that they generate from playing football, because their time for doing so is extremely short. They have no equity in the business. They have only what they can squeeze from ownership and squirrel away in the bank.
Yes, it’s a team sport. But there definitely is a “me” in team when it comes to ensuring that full and fair value is generated by a player who has earned every penny he makes, and who is entitled to pursue as many pennies as he can from owners who have money to burn — and to buy superyachts with.
Russell Wilson.
Deshaun Watson leveraged the quasi-free agency he finagled for himself into a brand-new, market-setting deal. Wilson, who had only one place he truly wanted to play if not Seattle, didn’t take advantage of the opportunity to ask for more on the way through the door.
And that’s a smart move, because he’ll get even more after the 2022 season.
With the richest owner by far poised to buy the team, and with the team giving up so much in trade assets to get Wilson, he’ll get a market-value deal after the season. It likely will be fully guaranteed.
Is there a chance that injury or ineffectiveness hurts his value? Yes, but it’s slim. The Broncos essentially accepted the fact that Wilson will get a monster deal the moment the trade happened. By not doing it now, they know they’ll be paying him even more later.
That said, there’s a chance that the Wal-Mart clan will decide to make Wilson an offer he can’t and won’t refuse before the start of the 2022 regular season. Again, it will be cheaper to do it now than next year, and the terms could be so good for Wilson that he won’t want to carry the risk of having injury or subpar play cloud his value come next year.
Joe Burrow.
His window on a new contract opens at the conclusion of the 2022 regular season. Burrow already has earned his second deal. And who knows? He could be the first young quarterback to get his second contract after the final game of the regular season and before the start of the postseason, if the Bengals qualify for the playoffs again.
Burrow may face local pressure to “take less.” Hopefully, he won’t. He has transformed that franchise. He deserves everything he’s able to get. If they want to keep him for the long haul, they need to change their ways — and they possibly already are, given that they’re finally selling stadium naming rights.
That said, it may be difficult to get a fully-guaranteed deal, if owner Mike Brown simply can’t put a giant pile of cash into escrow. Maybe Burrow will be the first quarterback to hinge his compensation to a specific percentage of the cap. Thus, as it goes up, he get more — and his contract never becomes obsolete.
Justin Herbert.
Two great years, no playoff berths. That doesn’t matter. He’s already regarded as one of the top quarterbacks in the NFL. If the Chargers want to keep him, they’ll have to pay up. Presumably after the 2022 season ends. If they won’t, someone else gladly will, now or later.
Jalen Hurts.
The Eagles have sent mixed signals, publicly and privately, regarding their commitment to Hurts. The commitment to the 2020 second-round pick seemingly was made when the Eagles traded for receiver A.J. Brown.
Here’s the question. Will Hurts deliberately take a second-tier deal in order to ensure that the Eagles will always have a solid team around him?
The fact that he wasn’t a first-round pick will bring his long-term status to a head sooner than otherwise. He’ll be a free agent in March 2024, unless the Eagles apply the franchise tag. His performance this season will go a long way toward helping the Eagles peg his future value. The challenge then will be getting on the same page with Hurts.
Tua Tagovailoa.
He’s also entering his third season. After it ends, he’ll be eligible for a new deal. It’s the ultimate upside for delivering on his potential, and for taking full advantage of the help he’ll have around him.
If he doesn’t step up, however, he could end up looking elsewhere for his second NFL contract, either if he’s released after the 2022 season or if he becomes a free-agent when his four-year rookie deal expires.
Baker Mayfield.
He’s on a one-year deal in Carolina. If he performs well, the Panthers will surely want to keep him. Others will become interested.
Surprisingly, the multi-million-dollar haircut Mayfield took to grease the skids out of Cleveland didn’t include a promise from the Panthers not to apply the franchise tag next year. If he overachieves this season, he may find himself blocked from the open market by the tag.
Jimmy Garoppolo.
Unless he signs a long-term deal as part of a trade to a new team, Garoppolo will become a free agent in March. That makes it critical for him to find a place where he can play — and play well — in 2022.
Daniel Jones.
The Giants didn’t pick up his fiffth-year option. The 2019 top-10 pick enters a contract year. If he becomes the guy the Giants thought he’d be three years ago, he’ll get a long-term deal or the franchise tag.
Ryan Tannehill.
He’s got two years left on his current deal. He was absent from some of the voluntary offseason program, possibly in an effort to get an adjustment. After this season, the Titans may have to make a long-term decision. Which may be one of the reasons why they drafted Malik Willis.
Matt Ryan.
He has two years on his contract, as he enters his first season with the Colts. If he delivers, the team may want to give him a big pile of money in order to ensure that he’ll be around for a few more seasons.
Tom Brady.
The GOAT will be a free agent in 2023. He’ll be able to pick his next team, unrestricted and unfettered. And with $37.5 million per year waiting for him from Fox, he’ll be able to tell anyone who wants him to keep playing that, in order to get him, they’ll have to pay him more than what he’d be getting to not actually play.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... new-deals/
Who you got?
Which quarterbacks are next up for new deals?
With Kyler Murray becoming the latest quarterback to land a major contract, let’s take a look at who’s next to cash in, either this year or next. (Or, maybe, not at all.)
Lamar Jackson.
The Ravens quarterback spent months resisting the team’s overtures to do a long-term deal. Now, he wants to get his second contract. Complicating matters is that he has no agent. He has said that contracts signed by other quarterbacks don’t matter to him, which is a clear example of why he desperately needs an agent. Those other deals become precedent for his own, a bar that he should strive to meet or to exceed.
It’s a challenge to separate team from self when it comes to getting a fair contract. Some players get brainwashed by the idea that they owe it to the broader effort to leave extra meat on the bone. Other players recognize that their duty to themselves and their families is to maximize the value that they generate from playing football, because their time for doing so is extremely short. They have no equity in the business. They have only what they can squeeze from ownership and squirrel away in the bank.
Yes, it’s a team sport. But there definitely is a “me” in team when it comes to ensuring that full and fair value is generated by a player who has earned every penny he makes, and who is entitled to pursue as many pennies as he can from owners who have money to burn — and to buy superyachts with.
Russell Wilson.
Deshaun Watson leveraged the quasi-free agency he finagled for himself into a brand-new, market-setting deal. Wilson, who had only one place he truly wanted to play if not Seattle, didn’t take advantage of the opportunity to ask for more on the way through the door.
And that’s a smart move, because he’ll get even more after the 2022 season.
With the richest owner by far poised to buy the team, and with the team giving up so much in trade assets to get Wilson, he’ll get a market-value deal after the season. It likely will be fully guaranteed.
Is there a chance that injury or ineffectiveness hurts his value? Yes, but it’s slim. The Broncos essentially accepted the fact that Wilson will get a monster deal the moment the trade happened. By not doing it now, they know they’ll be paying him even more later.
That said, there’s a chance that the Wal-Mart clan will decide to make Wilson an offer he can’t and won’t refuse before the start of the 2022 regular season. Again, it will be cheaper to do it now than next year, and the terms could be so good for Wilson that he won’t want to carry the risk of having injury or subpar play cloud his value come next year.
Joe Burrow.
His window on a new contract opens at the conclusion of the 2022 regular season. Burrow already has earned his second deal. And who knows? He could be the first young quarterback to get his second contract after the final game of the regular season and before the start of the postseason, if the Bengals qualify for the playoffs again.
Burrow may face local pressure to “take less.” Hopefully, he won’t. He has transformed that franchise. He deserves everything he’s able to get. If they want to keep him for the long haul, they need to change their ways — and they possibly already are, given that they’re finally selling stadium naming rights.
That said, it may be difficult to get a fully-guaranteed deal, if owner Mike Brown simply can’t put a giant pile of cash into escrow. Maybe Burrow will be the first quarterback to hinge his compensation to a specific percentage of the cap. Thus, as it goes up, he get more — and his contract never becomes obsolete.
Justin Herbert.
Two great years, no playoff berths. That doesn’t matter. He’s already regarded as one of the top quarterbacks in the NFL. If the Chargers want to keep him, they’ll have to pay up. Presumably after the 2022 season ends. If they won’t, someone else gladly will, now or later.
Jalen Hurts.
The Eagles have sent mixed signals, publicly and privately, regarding their commitment to Hurts. The commitment to the 2020 second-round pick seemingly was made when the Eagles traded for receiver A.J. Brown.
Here’s the question. Will Hurts deliberately take a second-tier deal in order to ensure that the Eagles will always have a solid team around him?
The fact that he wasn’t a first-round pick will bring his long-term status to a head sooner than otherwise. He’ll be a free agent in March 2024, unless the Eagles apply the franchise tag. His performance this season will go a long way toward helping the Eagles peg his future value. The challenge then will be getting on the same page with Hurts.
Tua Tagovailoa.
He’s also entering his third season. After it ends, he’ll be eligible for a new deal. It’s the ultimate upside for delivering on his potential, and for taking full advantage of the help he’ll have around him.
If he doesn’t step up, however, he could end up looking elsewhere for his second NFL contract, either if he’s released after the 2022 season or if he becomes a free-agent when his four-year rookie deal expires.
Baker Mayfield.
He’s on a one-year deal in Carolina. If he performs well, the Panthers will surely want to keep him. Others will become interested.
Surprisingly, the multi-million-dollar haircut Mayfield took to grease the skids out of Cleveland didn’t include a promise from the Panthers not to apply the franchise tag next year. If he overachieves this season, he may find himself blocked from the open market by the tag.
Jimmy Garoppolo.
Unless he signs a long-term deal as part of a trade to a new team, Garoppolo will become a free agent in March. That makes it critical for him to find a place where he can play — and play well — in 2022.
Daniel Jones.
The Giants didn’t pick up his fiffth-year option. The 2019 top-10 pick enters a contract year. If he becomes the guy the Giants thought he’d be three years ago, he’ll get a long-term deal or the franchise tag.
Ryan Tannehill.
He’s got two years left on his current deal. He was absent from some of the voluntary offseason program, possibly in an effort to get an adjustment. After this season, the Titans may have to make a long-term decision. Which may be one of the reasons why they drafted Malik Willis.
Matt Ryan.
He has two years on his contract, as he enters his first season with the Colts. If he delivers, the team may want to give him a big pile of money in order to ensure that he’ll be around for a few more seasons.
Tom Brady.
The GOAT will be a free agent in 2023. He’ll be able to pick his next team, unrestricted and unfettered. And with $37.5 million per year waiting for him from Fox, he’ll be able to tell anyone who wants him to keep playing that, in order to get him, they’ll have to pay him more than what he’d be getting to not actually play.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... new-deals/
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[quote=GoodTimeCharlie post_id=1072163]Guy asks who pump fakes. Is it 1970? Herdy-har-har. Gets shown video of Aaron Rodgers, Mahomes, etc. pump-faking. Moves goalpost.
Your a man after Barnum & Bailey’s heart.[/quote]You know where you can stick your goal post. You will enjoy.
Your a man after Barnum & Bailey’s heart.
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[quote=KennyPowers post_id=1072180]You know where you can stick your goal post. You will enjoy.[/quote]https://media0.giphy.com/media/jShr8wkP ... y.gif&ct=g
(I’ll take your word for it.)
(I’ll take your word for it.)
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[quote=Attyla post_id=1072149]the good one's pump fake. and no, he was an option. Carr threw the ball into double coverage short of the endzone instead of waiting another second for Waller to beat out Bell who is much shorter and much slower. That was an ideal matchup and we screwed the pooch[/quote]His reply was so bad that I couldn't reply to it. Everyone, and I mean everyone can see a pump fake (which by the way the great ones still do) would have Waller alone in the endzone! None of us are nfl coaches but we're not blind either.
Edit: Attyla, my comments aren't directed at you. I agree with you whole heartedly.
Edit: Attyla, my comments aren't directed at you. I agree with you whole heartedly.
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[quote=RaiderandBulldog post_id=1072156]https://twitter.com/nfloncbs/status/1559900998520406017
FYI Kermit's on pace for 30,385 Yards.[/quote]But will Mahomes rookie yr count? I can't keep up with all of the exceptions that are constantly made
FYI Kermit's on pace for 30,385 Yards.[/quote]But will Mahomes rookie yr count? I can't keep up with all of the exceptions that are constantly made