Emo Andy Dalton after a trip to Sephora on Groundhog Day (Carr thread)

[RaiderandBulldog]

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[Hellbound]

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Say what you what about Carr but that has proven himself to be durable. The best ability is availability,.[/quote]That's a misleading take. Anyone believe that he would only have two missed games if he broke his leg earlier in the season? He's also not the only qb that's played with those same injuries so IMO pointing these things out is pretty irrelevant

[GoodTimeCharlie]

[quote=Hellbound post_id=1068884]That's a misleading take. Anyone believe that he would only have two missed games if he broke his leg earlier in the season? He's also not the only qb that's played with those same injuries so IMO pointing these things out is pretty irrelevant[/quote]It comes from running out of useless shit to support the belief in Carr being a good quarterback. Won’t be long now and we’ll get posts saying that no one is better than Carr at balancing a checkbook. Have you seen him mow a lawn? Perfectly straight lines. He can even touch his nose with his elbows!!!

[KillerRaider30]

[quote=GoodTimeCharlie post_id=1068885]It comes from running out of useless shit to support the belief in Carr being a good quarterback. Won’t be long now and we’ll get posts saying that no one is better than Carr at balancing a checkbook. Have you seen him mow a lawn? Perfectly straight lines. He can even touch his nose with his elbows!!!

[/quote]Carr is a good QB what are talking about?

[GoodTimeCharlie]

[quote=KillerRaider30 post_id=1068898]Carr is a good QB what are talking about?[/quote]Carr has been good at accumulating some passing yard stats. And I imagine he’s downright elite at leading a locker room prayer. Other than that, I can’t think of one human endeavor where a man is benefited by having a teammate or partner who is at his worst when things get their most difficult.

[CWood24]

[quote=KillerRaider30 post_id=1068898]Carr is a good QB what are talking about?[/quote]Not down the stretch though when it actually matters

Elite first half of the season whilst teams are trying to figure you out

Bad second half when the pressure is on & we really need him to step up & lead the team

This is we have seen for 3 season straight it needs to change if he is to be classed a good QB

[rich72]

It will be interesting to see if they can get Carr to play well in cold. Hopefully everything clicks this season, not much of a Plan B at this point.

[Attyla]

[quote=rich72 post_id=1068948]It will be interesting to see if they can get Carr to play well in cold. Hopefully everything clicks this season, not much of a Plan B at this point.[/quote]the cold weather thing is actually kind of not true over all. But I do expect him to play better this year.

[Raidernation1979]

[quote=Attyla post_id=1068949]the cold weather thing is actually kind of not true over all. But I do expect him to play better this year.[/quote]This article from 2020 kind of shows the cold weather is a thing for him. He’s historically bad

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[GoodTimeCharlie]

At least we know Carr will be putting in the work this off-season. Studying tape like JaWalrus, and staying laser-focused with that electric mind of his.

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Cam Newton 21
Derek Carr 20
Deshaun Watson 20

Meh, nothing that hard work can’t overcome!!! Like the work he put in after the disappointing 2017 season.

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Oh…

[Jeremyturner1976]

His contract fixes the coasting for paychecks issues we have seen is my guess GoodTimeCharlie. He is basically fighting to prove his cost year after year for the foreseeable future. Genius on the part of Ziegler.

[GoodTimeCharlie]

[quote=Jeremyturner1976 post_id=1068966]His contract fixes the coasting for paychecks issues we have seen is my guess GoodTimeCharlie. He is basically fighting to prove his cost year after year for the foreseeable future. Genius on the part of Ziegler.[/quote]Appreciate us finally having brains in the front office. At the very least we finally have an organization that knows their roles. Zigs is the GM. McD knows his GM has final say when it comes to the allocation of talent. They speak to each other, but ultimately drive in their lanes.

With regards to Carr, I don’t expect much better, or much worse. If not for the acquisition of Adams, Carr would most likely have a terrible year with the way his contract is set up. He is so mentally weak that just the pressure to do well enough to keep getting paid the big bucks would crush him.

Maybe, by the thinnest of chances, Carr could pull off a Super Bowl win with a juggernaut of a team in the days of a Dilfer or Flacco. But now? No chance. The murderers row that is the AFC quarterback situation is on another level.

Thank goodness this chapter is about to close.

[Opoponax50]

[quote=signal post_id=1068874]Unlike many, I do think that such skills can be improved and polished. And success in practice can turn into success on the field.[/quote]IMO, this is something QBs have or they don't. It can't be taught.

The all time great QBs are/were able to either see the entire field in a flash of a moment and therefore able see what was going to happen before it happened. Then made the play or they were able to buy time and make something happen----or both. This applies to great pocket passers and improvisers.

It's the greatest intangible; something that can't be measured or predicted. It's something that can't be learned. Put another way, I can study quantum mechanics all I want, but I simply don't have the brain power to understand it.

Carr is what he is. If he had the ability to play like Mahomes, we would have seen it a long time ago.

[352Raider]

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Say what you what about Carr but that has proven himself to be durable. The best ability is availability,.[/quote]Say what you want, but Carr leads the league in turnovers the last 5 years, fumbles are worse than interceptions.
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[quote=Opoponax50 post_id=1069032]IMO, this is something QBs have or they don't. It can't be taught.

The all time great QBs are/were able to either see the entire field in a flash of a moment and therefore able see what was going to happen before it happened. Then made the play or they were able to buy time and make something happen----or both. This applies to great pocket passers and improvisers.

It's the greatest intangible; something that can't be measured or predicted. It's something that can't be learned. Put another way, I can study quantum mechanics all I want, but I simply don't have the brain power to understand it.

Carr is what he is. If he had the ability to play like Mahomes, we would have seen it a long time ago.[/quote]We disagree on this point. I do think improvisation can improve. And while it may sound odd I do think processing skills can improve also. It is about getting the right type of reps. And yes, you can create drills to improve improvisation, throwing on the run, scrambling....if you are get a ton of reps at doing just that.

I do think QBs skillsets can improve over time if provided with reps for this type of scenarios but I don' think anyone does.

I think Carr would benefit from a drill like this:

You take most probable end positions for WRs after routes are run for every play. You pick one of those plays and the WRs go to those points on the field. You send the secondary out there....with a man on each WR and you place the rest of the secondary where they would most probably end up given the routes taken. Carr is turned away from this and sees none of it. You also place three DL along the line of scrimmage...anywhere along that line they want to be. Before the drill they decide which one can start chasing after the QB after one second, the next after three seconds and the next after five seconds. Carr also does not know which ones were assigned what time limit.

Drill begins with a whistle and Carr (five yards back of the line scrimmage) turns to see the field and players for the first time and must deliver a pass to that WR that is able to get open.

This drill will make both WRs and Carr have to improvise in order to make a play. And it will make the secondary have to react and respond to the WRs who are trying to get open..

I think this drill would be helpful because there has been times where I see WRs and Carr give up on a play....if the D guessed right and were sitting on it...there seems to be no wish to begin to improvise and STILL make the play. They give up. But Mahommes and Wilson, don't always give up and some of their biggest plays in games are those where the D took away everything ....but then the QB and the WRs began to improvise....and they STILL make the play.

This little drill would get Carr and his WRs a sense that a play is never over....not if you don't quit on it...and if they have a lot of reps...they may even work out some strategies so as to increase their chances to be on the same page as the improvisation is occurring. AND it is in these strategies where it becomes less about mere improvisation and becomes more about technique, and a sort of unwritten game plan when plays break down. It becomes like the second part of any designed play.

I think this sort of drill would cement in Carr and the WRS...that a play is never over...that you never give up ....even if the D closes down the play written....you then go about improvising.

And JUST AS IMPORTANT, it gives the secondary work against a QB and WRs who are improvising to make a play...something they will see in game time....when facing the likes of Mahommes and Wilson. They to will develop technique and further strategies on how best to cover WRs improvising after the called play did not work.

[raiders93]

[quote=signal post_id=1069040]We disagree on this point. I do think improvisation can improve. And while it may sound odd I do think processing skills can improve also. It is about getting the right type of reps. And yes, you can create drills to improve improvisation, throwing on the run, scrambling....if you are get a ton of reps at doing just that.

I do think QBs skillsets can improve over time if provided with reps for this type of scenarios but I don' think anyone does.

I think Carr would benefit from a drill like this:

You take most probable end positions for WRs after routes are run for every play. You pick one of those plays and the WRs go to those points on the field. You send the secondary out there....with a man on each WR and you place the rest of the secondary where they would most probably end up given the routes taken. Carr is turned away from this and sees none of it. You also place three DL along the line of scrimmage...anywhere along that line they want to be. Before the drill they decide which one can start chasing after the QB after one second, the next after three seconds and the next after five seconds. Carr also does not know which ones were assigned what time limit.

Drill begins with a whistle and Carr (five yards back of the line scrimmage) turns to see the field and players for the first time and must deliver a pass to that WR that is able to get open.

This drill will make both WRs and Carr have to improvise in order to make a play. And it will make the secondary have to react and respond to the WRs who are trying to get open..

I think this drill would be helpful because there has been times where I see WRs and Carr give up on a play....if the D guessed right and were sitting on it...there seems to be no wish to begin to improvise and STILL make the play. They give up. But Mahommes and Wilson, don't always give up and some of their biggest plays in games are those where the D took away everything ....but then the QB and the WRs began to improvise....and they STILL make the play.

This little drill would get Carr and his WRs a sense that a play is never over....not if you don't quit on it...and if they have a lot of reps...they may even work out some strategies so as to increase their chances to be on the same page as the improvisation is occurring. AND it is in these strategies where it becomes less about mere improvisation and becomes more about technique, and a sort of unwritten game plan when plays break down. It becomes like the second part of any designed play.

I think this sort of drill would cement in Carr and the WRS...that a play is never over...that you never give up ....even if the D closes down the play written....you then go about improvising.

And JUST AS IMPORTANT, it gives the secondary work against a QB and WRs who are improvising to make a play...something they will see in game time....when facing the likes of Mahommes and Wilson. They to will develop technique and further strategies on how best to cover WRs improvising after the called play did not work.[/quote]I almost think with Carr it’s more of a mental thing where he just gets fixated on “execute the playcall”. Especially under Gruden he even outright said it a couple times: as long as I execute the calls the way coach wants I’m good (paraphrasing).

With every QB there’s a balancing act between the safer, mechanical execution and the higher-stakes playmaking. Late in games when we’re trailing there’s tons of examples of carr loosening up a bit and becoming more of a playmaker but that’s about the extent of his balancing act. Mechanical until it is absolutely necessary to make a critical play. Even then it doesn’t always happen.