Emo Andy Dalton after a trip to Sephora on Groundhog Day (Carr thread)

[RaiderandBulldog]

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[quote=black soul post_id=1052321]Nah, I think the team is stuck with this Qb for awhile. If this was McDaniels first go around as a HC I could see them considering trying to trade him for draft picks in this kind of market but with his history in Denver with the Cutler fiasco and Mark Davis in the way odds are the team will do something stupid and pay the current Qb 40 mil a year.[/quote]You may be right, but it will not go well for Josh in his second tenure.

Raiders need to shift gears now, and look to trade Carr either this year or next. To stay the course and bloat Carr's salary is simply a way to die by a thousand paper cuts...it will be slow and it will painful ...lasting the foreseeable future.

[Willmark]

[quote=Attyla post_id=1052311]Keeping Carr just became about surviving the west[/quote]How so?

Carr is now clearly the fourth best QB in the division.

[black soul]

[quote=signal post_id=1052324]You may be right, but it will not go well for Josh in his second tenure.

Raiders need to shift gears now, and look to trade Carr either this year or next. To stay the course and bloat Carr's salary is simply a way to die by a thousand paper cuts...it will be slow and it will painful ...lasting the foreseeable future.[/quote]I know that it won't go well, I'm still holding out a tiny bit of hope that they don't extend him and let him play out his contract even if it hurts his sensitive feelings a bit but I doubt that happens and he gets 40 a year.

[Attyla]

[quote=Willmark post_id=1052337]How so?

Carr is now clearly the fourth best QB in the division.[/quote]unless they are lying to us, we are not rebuilding. If we trade Carr, we are exactly rebuilding. To keep up with the Jones's we are now going to not only keep Carr but we are going to have to pull a 2016 and get him every piece he needs to at least appear to be trying to keep up.

[Willmark]

[quote=Attyla post_id=1052345]unless they are lying to us, we are not rebuilding. If we trade Carr, we are exactly rebuilding. To keep up with the Jones's we are now going to not only keep Carr but we are going to have to pull a 2016 and get him every piece he needs to at least appear to be trying to keep up.[/quote]Yes and Mark, (because let’s be honest he’s the one who started saying it) believes “it’s not a rebuild”. While that is possible what if he is fooling himself? if he hasn’t considered the possibility that the 2021 Team reached its peak, that it overachieved.

Only way we’ll know is this time next year if he’s right or I am. And with today’s trade in Denver? I like my chances.

Mark can shake his fist all he wants but like (allegedly) King Canute he can’t stop the tide no matter how many times he says othwewise.

[Attyla]

[quote=Willmark post_id=1052349]Yes and Mark, (because let’s be honest he’s the one who started saying it) believes “it’s not a rebuild”. While that is possible what if he is fooling himself? if he hasn’t considered the possibility that the 2021 Team reached its peak, that it overachieved.

Only way we’ll know is this time next year if he’s right or I am. And with today’s trade in Denver? I like my chances.

Mark can shake his fist all he wants but like (allegedly) King Canute he can’t stop the tide no matter how many times he says othwewise.[/quote]it would not surprise me if Mark tried to franchise Carr today before the deadline

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[quote=Attyla post_id=1052393]it would not surprise me if Mark tried to franchise Carr today before the deadline[/quote]But Carr is already under contract, why franchise him?

[Willmark]

[quote=signal post_id=1052399]But Carr is already under contract, why franchise him?[/quote]Because a Davis got to Davis?

[chucker]

You don't go into "next year" mode just because Denver got Wilson. If trading Carr wasn't the plan before, it shouldn't be the plan now. And I don't think that Ziegler and McDaniels are insecure enough to think this should change the plan.

[Willmark]

[quote=chucker post_id=1052402]You don't go into "next year" mode just because Denver got Wilson. If trading Carr wasn't the plan before, it shouldn't be the plan now. And I don't think that Ziegler and McDaniels are insecure enough to think this should change the plan.[/quote]Some of us have been saying Carr isn’t going anywhere for a while now. I still think that’s the case.

[black soul]

[quote=chucker post_id=1052402]You don't go into "next year" mode just because Denver got Wilson. If trading Carr wasn't the plan before, it shouldn't be the plan now. And I don't think that Ziegler and McDaniels are insecure enough to think this should change the plan.[/quote]No, it's not because of Wilson. Plenty of posters have stated they would rather deal the current Qb at the height of his trade value rather than overpaying him with a grossly overpaid extension way before this trade ever happened. This is not and has not been a reactionary stance to a Wilson signing. If anything it's just been an honest observation that this team now has the 4th best Qb in the division.

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[quote=chucker post_id=1052402]You don't go into "next year" mode just because Denver got Wilson. If trading Carr wasn't the plan before, it shouldn't be the plan now. And I don't think that Ziegler and McDaniels are insecure enough to think this should change the plan.[/quote]It should be the plan, before the trade, during the trade and after the trade.

[Attyla]

[quote=signal post_id=1052408]It should be the plan, before the trade, during the trade and after the trade.[/quote]your theory works except there was never a plan to trade Carr or he would be on his way to Washington. Snyder is a guy who would offer up a lot to get a guy like Carr and it has been reported he called

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[quote=Attyla post_id=1052413]your theory works except there was never a plan to trade Carr or he would be on his way to Washington. Snyder is a guy who would offer up a lot to get a guy like Carr and it has been reported he called[/quote]Read my post....."should."

My post was prescriptive rather than descriptive in nature.

I am fully aware what the case is...I am arguing and providing discussion as to what it ought to be.

[Attyla]

[quote=signal post_id=1052416]Read my post....."should."

My post was prescriptive rather than descriptive in nature.

I am fully aware what the case is...I am arguing and providing discussion as to what it ought to be.[/quote]at this point, I am not sure what ought to be all I know is what is. We are the f[raiders_icon]cking Raiders, we ought to have an owner who knows what he is doing, we ought to be celebrating winning season number X in a row. But we are the f[raiders_icon]cking Raiders so what we ought to be doing is never going to be what we are doing.

but I get what you were trying to say.