Emo Andy Dalton after a trip to Sephora on Groundhog Day (Carr thread)

[RaiderandBulldog]

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[WNYRAIDER]

[quote=chucker post_id=1049905]I just wouldn't pay it. He's under contract. Play it out. If he ascends to a higher level under the new regime then you talk contract, or tag him, or move on. You don't have to pay "market". Carr's play is worth $30 in today's game..... the market - what QBs actually get paid - is higher.[/quote]This.

It seems like McDaniel's and apparently our new GM, feel that they can get what earlier circumstances, and then later, what more and more seems to be Carrs 'ceiling', past all of that. .

Arguments against Carr were more based on ignorance earlier in his career, and by meatheads who think that they know more than they do. Those arguments have certainly become more valid over the more recent years due to him having had the consistency of Gruden and his system, and us actually having acquired some targets around him. I never liked Gruden. or his offense, (or at least his play calling) and predicted out load ,here and elsewhere, when they rehired him, that it would be wasted years.

Can McD get him past that by putting him in a position which helps to neutralize his considerable weakness's, while better maximizing his strengths? McD has made guys with more glaring weaknesses look serviceable, and actually win. I am a hell of a lot more hopeful with him, that i was with Gruden, though buy the time with the year left on his contract, and take it from there .

[Opoponax50]

[quote=live.B.A.raida post_id=1049919]Carr had prime Crabtree and a young Cooper who only came into the league averaging 1k yards a season but now the narrative is he never had good receivers and that’s why he’s a bad red zone QB you can’t make this stuff up with Carr fans.[/quote]This is exactly why Carr isn't worth anywhere near his speculated contract price of $30+ million. He's a limited player who will throw around 19-22 TD passes per season, is ineffective under center due to having no play fake or pump fake, has poor pocket presence, often doesn't see open receivers, isn't an anticipatory thrower, and who doesn't see open running lanes when his receivers are blanketed.

Throw in the fact that he's mostly a one read QB who has regressed in the latter half of the season 4 years in a row and it really doesn't matter who you put around him; his game is what it is and there's no good reason to think it's going to get any better going into his 9th year.

If the idea is that we can win with an overall average QB, then we can do it for a lot cheaper.

[raiders1988xyz]

[quote=Willmark post_id=1049903]Carr is not taking a discount and he’s getting resigned for 4-5 years at 35-40 million per.

Is what it is.[/quote]if that happen, say good bye to any chances of winning the super bowl until carr are officially retired

[KillerRaider30]

So if we had the 32nd ranked defense would the offense have to be ranked #1 to go 500?

[billy piton]

[quote=live.B.A.raida post_id=1049919]Carr had prime Crabtree and a young Cooper who only came into the league averaging 1k yards a season but now the narrative is he never had good receivers and that’s why he’s a bad red zone QB you can’t make this stuff up with Carr fans.[/quote]coop&crab were good. especially crab in the red zone. and carr had 29 and 32 td seasons with them (8th in the league both years).

[raiders1988xyz]

let look at the record ever since carr got paid 25M a year

2017, 6-10
2018, 4-12
2019, 7-9
2020, 8-8
2021, 10-7 (0-1 playoffs)

is this really a franchise quarterback? get the f[raiders_icon]ck out of here

[Xramfan]

Maybe Big Mac and Ziggy can coach this out of him ;)



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[Attyla]

[quote=Xramfan post_id=1049927]Maybe Big Mac and Ziggy can coach this out of him ;)



https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SeriousBitesi ... ax-1mb.gif[/quote]that is his intense workout face according to Carr

[Xramfan]

[quote=Attyla post_id=1049928]that is his intense workout face according to Carr[/quote]Otherwise known as “Mamba”?

[toobscruiser]

[quote=live.B.A.raida post_id=1049919]Carr had prime Crabtree and a young Cooper who only came into the league averaging 1k yards a season but now the narrative is he never had good receivers and that’s why he’s a bad red zone QB you can’t make this stuff up with Carr fans.[/quote]Carr was a great red zone qb before Gruden. Look it up. He was top ten every year before Gruden except 2016 when he was 13th

[live.B.A.raida]

[quote=billy piton post_id=1049925]coop&crab were good. especially crab in the red zone. and carr had 29 and 32 td seasons with them (8th in the league both years).[/quote]2015 was 32 TD’s and 2016 was 28… I think we can call 2015 the outlier season….

[Fade2SilverAndBlack]

[quote=Willmark post_id=1049903]Carr is not taking a discount and he’s getting resigned for 4-5 years at 35-40 million per.

Is what it is.[/quote]Then the coach killer will have other pelt(s) to put on his wall. Since he'll never get any NFL trophies Lombardi, MVP. The McDaniels regime will destined to failure...

[live.B.A.raida]

[quote=toobscruiser post_id=1049933]Carr was a great red zone qb before Gruden. Look it up. He was top ten every year before Gruden except 2016 when he was 13th[/quote]Well see if JM can get him back to pre Gruden level, but there goes the other narrative it’s always someone else’s fault. Maybe Carr just will never mentally get back to the space he was in before he broke the leg…

[chucker]

[quote=toobscruiser post_id=1049933]Carr was a great red zone qb before Gruden. Look it up. He was top ten every year before Gruden except 2016 when he was 13th[/quote]I think the Raiders had a good RZ offense overall in Carr's early years, but Carr did not have good passing numbers in the RZ.

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Of course this doesn't take into account his elusive and explosive running for RZ TDs

[Jeremyturner1976]

[quote=toobscruiser post_id=1049933]Carr was a great red zone qb before Gruden. Look it up. He was top ten every year before Gruden except 2016 when he was 13th[/quote]The team was better, Carr has consistently sucked in the redzone. What you are saying is we were better running the ball before Gruden - nothing to do with Carr. Stop listening to non blue checkmarks on Twitter and relaying it here as fact please.

Carr has also always crumbled in December. Every coach, every time.

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* Chucker beat me to it.