Emo Andy Dalton after a trip to Sephora on Groundhog Day (Carr thread)

[RaiderandBulldog]

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[raiders1988xyz]

[quote=sdraider85 post_id=1049643]You didn’t answer my question. I will answer yours though, he has an elite team around him, it isn’t rocket science. I wouldn’t put him on the level of guys like Trent Dilfer but he certainly had tons of help. I don’t believe Derek could have done it with that Rams team but he certainly could have with Trent’s Ravens team. Are you going to answer my question now?[/quote]we have a trash team around whoever the quarterback going to be, stay tuned...

coaching matters
drafting the right players matters
hope the refs stop calling flags

[Attyla]

[quote=raiders1988xyz post_id=1049648]we have a trash team around whoever the quarterback going to be, stay tuned...

coaching matters
drafting the right players matters
hope the refs stop calling flags[/quote]I hate it when refs call flags

[billy piton]

[quote=sdraider85 post_id=1049643]You didn’t answer my question. I will answer yours though, he has an elite team around him, it isn’t rocket science. I wouldn’t put him on the level of guys like Trent Dilfer but he certainly had tons of help. I don’t believe Derek could have done it with that Rams team but he certainly could have with Trent’s Ravens team. Are you going to answer my question now?[/quote]well, the difference is that you can win with carr and you can't win with j'marcus&co. you "just" have to hit on some draft picks and/or free agents. like the bengals hit with chase, williams, higgins, bell, bates, hendrickson, reader, awusie, or the rams with donald, kupp, obj, miller, ramsey, withwort, havenstein etc. but it's not like you don't have to hit on those even with an elite qb.

if we trade carr we'd have to hit on a qb as well, which isn't easy as some here seem to think. just ask the colts or the broncos. nice teams, but they can't find even decent qbs.

[raiders1988xyz]

[quote=billy piton post_id=1049651]well, the difference is that you can win with carr and you can't win with j'marcus&co. you "just" have to hit on some draft picks and/or free agents. like the bengals hit with chase, williams, higgins, bell, bates, hendrickson, reader, awusie, or the rams with donald, kupp, obj, miller, ramsey, withwort, havenstein etc. but it's not like you don't have to hit on those even with an elite qb.

if we trade carr we'd have to hit on a qb as well, which isn't easy as some here seem to think. just ask the colts or the broncos. nice teams, but they can't find even decent qbs.[/quote]i have to say the broncos and the colts have a better team all around, put carr in that team and he would win a playoffs game

we need a top 10 defense to have a chance and create many turnovers

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[quote=billy piton post_id=1049651]well, the difference is that you can win with carr and you can't win with j'marcus&co. you "just" have to hit on some draft picks and/or free agents. like the bengals hit with chase, williams, higgins, bell, bates, hendrickson, reader, awusie, or the rams with donald, kupp, obj, miller, ramsey, withwort, havenstein etc. but it's not like you don't have to hit on those even with an elite qb.

if we trade carr we'd have to hit on a qb as well, which isn't easy as some here seem to think. just ask the colts or the broncos. nice teams, but they can't find even decent qbs.[/quote]It is much easier to go into free agency and hit on all of those players when you have a QB on a rookie contract.

[billy piton]

[quote=signal post_id=1049655]It is much easier to go into free agency and hit on all of those players when you have a QB on a rookie contract.[/quote]but you also have to hit on that qb at least somewhat, which is easier say than do. even at the top of the draft, yo have really good chance to miss.

also, do you think that the raiders in 2023 will have a better chance to hit on free agents if they have let's say 120 instead of 90m of the capspace (they are projected at 152m as of now)? i mean it's not like there is an infinite number of good free agents. the most of the elite ones are tagged or re-signed anyway.

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[quote=billy piton post_id=1049661]but you also have to hit on that qb at least somewhat, which is easier say than do. even at the top of the draft, yo have really good chance to miss.

also, do you think that the raiders in 2023 will have a better chance to hit on free agents if they have let's say 120 instead of 90m of the capspace (they are projected at 152m as of now)? i mean it's not like there is an infinite number of good free agents. the most of the elite ones are tagged or re-signed anyway.[/quote]Please do not share with me what you think the 2023 cap space will be. No one knows what it will be until the Raiders go through free agency this year. Looking at future years of cap space is pretty silly. Most every team has a tons of space two or three years into the future.

I believe Ziegler will be a busy man this offseason in free agency...and trust me that will most probably impact the 2023 cap numbers unless of course he only signs players to one year deals. And if he does, then all the cap space is really not that attractive in that it only means you have a plethora of free agents and mounds of needs to be addressed.

Every year, it has been my experience that most, if not all teams competing to get to the next level in the playoffs would like more cap space to fill out their teams. So, doubt the Raiders will be sitting around in 2023 not knowing what to do with their extra cash. Yes, when you look into the future there seems to be mounds of cap space...but when you get there...it dissipates pretty quickly as you to try to resign players or fill in needs - some unexpected.

I think the entire argument that there is a ton of money to go around by pointing to cap space a year or two down the road is a disingenuous one.

I do hope that Ziegler will be looking for that QB in the draft that Josh can groom. I think that is the best chance for the Raiders getting to the next level.

[RaiderWu]

[quote=sdraider85 post_id=1049641]The argument I have heard is because “Derek deserves it and we don’t want to hurt his feelings.” We know all too well Derek gets his feelings hurt easily.[/quote]That seems to be the consensus. of why Carr needs to be resigned. Which begs the question, does anyone really think a prospect QB will ever be drafted while Carr is here? Or would his feelings be hurt then too?

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[quote=RaiderWu post_id=1049679]That seems to be the consensus. of why Carr needs to be resigned. Which begs the question, does anyone really think a prospect QB will ever be drafted while Carr is here? Or would his feelings be hurt then too?[/quote]This new regime better be about making the Raiders a better team and less about keeping Carr all fuzzy and warm feeling good.

[billy piton]

[quote=signal post_id=1049675]Please do not share with me what you think the 2023 cap space will be. No one knows what it will be until the Raiders go through free agency this year. Looking at future years of cap space is pretty silly. Most every team has a tons of space two or three years into the future.

I believe Ziegler will be a busy man this offseason in free agency...and trust me that will most probably impact the 2023 cap numbers unless of course he only signs players to one year deals. And if he does, then all the cap space is really not that attractive in that it only means you have a plethora of free agents and mounds of needs to be addressed.

Every year, it has been my experience that most, if not all teams competing to get to the next level in the playoffs would like more cap space to fill out their teams. So, doubt the Raiders will be sitting around in 2023 not knowing what to do with their extra cash. Yes, when you look into the future there seems to be mounds of cap space...but when you get there...it dissipates pretty quickly as you to try to resign players or fill in needs - some unexpected.

I think the entire argument that there is a ton of money to go around by pointing to cap space a year or two down the road is a disingenuous one.

I do hope that Ziegler will be looking for that QB in the draft that Josh can groom. I think that is the best chance for the Raiders getting to the next level.[/quote]i don't think they are going to be able to spend much money this year, since there is only 20m of the capspace and a ton of horrible contracts with large amount of dead cap attached to them (littleton, nassib, ferrell, drake, kwit...). also we won 10 games with 36,5m of dead cap space (fun fact: only the rams had more among playoff teams), so it's quite safe to say that cap space won't be a problem, at least mid term. if we start to draft properly and hit on some good free agents, trading carr might be a sound strategy. but at the moment, it's not, in my opinion.

[CDARAIDER77]

On 1st take, it was mentioned Stafford's record in Detroit, before joining the Rams, 74 - 90. I had to look that up just to make sure that was correct. Sure enough, a quarter back with a losing record (earning one pro bowl selection in that time period) goes to a better team and wins it all.

Carr's current record (57-70) is about on pace what Stafford was at 30 (61-76)

Goes to show, a quarter back can turn things around in the right situation on a better team and have a success.

[Xramfan]

[quote=CDARAIDER77 post_id=1049688]On 1st take, it was mentioned Stafford's record in Detroit, before joining the Rams, 74 - 90. I had to look that up just to make sure that was correct. Sure enough, a quarter back with a losing record (earning one pro bowl selection in that time period) goes to a better team and wins it all.

Carr's current record (57-70) is about on pace what Stafford was at 30 (61-76)

Goes to show, a quarter back can turn things around in the right situation on a better team and have a success.[/quote]I hope other teams agree with you and we can trade Carr to them. #freethecarr

[Toons]

[quote=CDARAIDER77 post_id=1049688]On 1st take, it was mentioned Stafford's record in Detroit, before joining the Rams, 74 - 90. I had to look that up just to make sure that was correct. Sure enough, a quarter back with a losing record (earning one pro bowl selection in that time period) goes to a better team and wins it all.

Carr's current record (57-70) is about on pace what Stafford was at 30 (61-76)

Goes to show, a quarter back can turn things around in the right situation on a better team and have a success.[/quote]Only problem is Carr isn't nearly as good as Stafford. Even in Detroit Stafford was slinging it all around, his arm talent is superior to Carr and he didn't or doesn't disappear for weeks like Carr. Carr goes from a good QB to being like a rookie for weeks. But yes, I hope some team wants Carr bad and gives us a 2nd or 3rd or some combo of draft picks for him. Make my day please as I don't ever want to see him in silver and black playing QB again.

[danchase45]

Only problem is Carr isn't nearly as good as Stafford. Even in Detroit Stafford was slinging it all around, his arm talent is superior to Carr and he didn't or doesn't disappear for weeks like Carr. Carr goes from a good QB to being like a rookie for weeks. But yes, I hope some team wants Carr bad and gives us a 2nd or 3rd or some combo of draft picks for him. Make my day please as I don't ever want to see him in silver and black playing QB again.

Stafford absolutely disappeared for weeks. Take a look at his game logs from the past and you can easily see that. He also threw the ball a ridiculous number of times. You can get decent stats when you throw the ball 663, 727, and 634 times in consecutive seasons. Carr needed 17 games to ever break 600. Detroit fans were perfectly fine getting rid of Stafford because he didn't win games. Stafford winning the Superbowl shows that a QB is only as good as his team. Throw Carr on the LA Rams and they still might win the Superbowl. Throw Stafford on the Raiders and we still don't win the Superbowl.

[Raidernation1979]

Carr has thrown more TD passes than Stafford twice since entering the league. 1 of those years Stafford only played in 8 games and was only 2 TDs behind Carr. The other year was 2020. Both full years and Carr threw one more. Carr isn’t close to Stafford.