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[quote=FLORIDARAYDAH post_id=1023827]Not 1 be person said any of those things. At this point you are just being a troll.[/quote]Really. If fans didn't think that way. Why are they upset that we didn't make the playoffs and put the blame on Carr for that not happening. If they know we are a shitty organization it wouldn't;t matter who the QB is. They would accept the fact that we are a losing franchise that have little to no hope.

If fans didnt think it's Carr's fault over the 8 years they would call him a lose a bum and that he sucks. They would see that the team as a whole is terrible. But they don't, has Carr played bad in games. Absolutely. He's also played great in games. Did we have a winning organization before Carr got here? Not for over a decade and it was only a 4 year window in the past 30+ years. This team has drafted poorly for decades, hired terrible coaches for decades, signed shitty players to rediculous contract for decades. All I'm saying it isn't the QB's fault we are not winning.

[quote=Willmark post_id=1023832]"Kenny" seems to think his opinion is law, weird, can't place where I've heard this before![/quote]I am at a loss, maybe he should come out of the closet

not that there is anything wrong with being in the closet

[quote=KennyPowers post_id=1023822]So unless I think like every single Raider fan it's weird. I think it's weird that fans think we have had good football teams over the past 20 years. I think it's weird to think that this is a quality organization. Or weird to believe we are a QB away from winning.


So it's weird to think like Colin Cowherd that Carr deserves better and to play for a quality organization.[/quote]It just got even weirder.

You're free to make up whatever fiction you want, but you don't have the right to not be criticized for it.

[quote=KennyPowers post_id=1023777]My issue is with the fans that think the issue is Carr, and when Carr is traded the Raiders are a playoff team. Or to think that if we draft a QB all the ills of this franchise are fixed and glory is right around the corner.

This is a dysfunctional franchise no better than the Lions, Jets, Browns. Those have been the worst franchises of the past 20 years and to be blunt. The Raiders have been the worst. As hard as it is to admit being fans of this franchise, it's the truth. Firing coaches and drafting QB's in the first round doesn't fix anything.

If you look at most of the QB's that are successful or have been successful they were drafted into stable organizations. If were a QB in college and had first round potentional, I would sit out rather then play for a terrible organization like the Raiders or the Jets. Eli Manning did it, Elway did it and had successful careers. If Elway were drafted by the colts in the 80's he may have been out of the league in 4 years. It matters where you get drafted. Some QB don't have a chance to succeed. Some don't have the talent. Some have the talent and were drafted into terrible situations and had short careers. If a better team drafted them, maybe they could have been great too.

8 years ago if the Patriots would have drafted Carr. And Brady had a career ending injury. And Carr took over that team. Do fans really think that Carr record would be 30-70 or whatever it is. DO you really think that Carr would not have made the playoffs every year. Or won at least 1 super bowl.[/quote]I have a problem with your first few sentences. NO ONE SAYS THAT. I’ve never seen a single person say, or even imply, that Carr is the only problem with this team and we are a QB away from being a dynasty, or even a legit playoff contender. Take your straw man elsewhere.

[quote=Xramfan post_id=1023831]Then you agree with the thread title that we should be able to get a boatload for Derek. Sounds good to me[/quote]Man, if we could get a team to believe what Carr's fans think, we'd get 3 firsts and 3 2nds for him.

David Carr needs the Lions GM job right now.

[quote=VEfreak post_id=1023841]I have a problem with your first few sentences. NO ONE SAYS THAT. I’ve never seen a single person say, or even imply, that Carr is the only problem with this team and we are a QB away from being a dynasty, or even a legit playoff contender. Take your straw man elsewhere.[/quote]You do realize you're likely arguing with one of Skullz accounts; we should check is RaiderFans1 on the suspend list?

[quote=Willmark post_id=1023832]"Kenny" seems to think his opinion is law, weird, can't place where I've heard this before![/quote]You didn’t really think he could keep away did you?

[quote=Willmark post_id=1023844]You do realize you're likely arguing with one of Skullz accounts; we should check is RaiderFans1 on the suspend list?[/quote]I hope it is a skullz alt. The epic meltdowns preceding his permabans are always a lot of fun :)

[quote=VEfreak post_id=1023846]I hope it is a skullz alt. The epic meltdowns preceding his permabans are always a lot of fun :)[/quote]you all are just meanies, one must bow to the ultimate expression of genius

[quote=KennyPowers post_id=1023828]He isn't a bad football player. He's a QB who happens to play for a terrible organization that doesn't know how to win. Similar to Matt Stafford. Stafford played for the 2nd worst organization in NFL. He was also called similar things to Carr. He goes to a good franchise and his record doesn't look like what to was with the Lions.

Fans think that Carr is Marc Wilson or Jay Schroeder.[/quote][/b

See here you go again, These men played in a time where you could legally kill someone. Marc Wilson played in a game against the Bears. It's recognized as the most brutal game ever played. Wilson got knocked out several times only to come back. Derek Carr would have played half of the first quarter of that game and folded like a f[raiders_icon]cking lawn chair, and thank God for the excuse to do so. Ya boy ain't it, and you will find that out very soon when he's in another uniform.

[quote=Xramfan post_id=1023802]Never played Madden in my life but watch a great deal of football and see what great QBs do and see what poor QBs do and stand on my assessment that Derek is a mediocre QB. Honest question, are you related to Derek? You seem to take criticism of him very personally.[/quote]Any Man that brings up Madden in real life performance of a human has not experienced a lot in life . Specifically, not a lot of intercourse or employment at a high level. Save your ammo because someone is trying to lure you into a Twitter Idiot kill box to finish you off.

[quote=RaiderSoFi post_id=1023855][/b

See here you go again, These men played in a time where you could legally kill someone. Marc Wilson played in a game against the Bears. It's recognized as the most brutal game ever played. Wilson got knocked out several times only to come back. Derek Carr would have played half of the first quarter of that game and folded like a f[raiders_icon]cking lawn chair, and thank God for the excuse to do so. Ya boy ain't it, and you will find that out very soon when he's in another uniform.[/quote]We will see. If Carr goes to a shitty ORganition like the Raiders the results will be the same. If he goes to the Steelers or Saints. He will succeed. So when Car r broke his back, the same injury ended Tony Romo's career. Carr missed one game. Keep thinking he's a puss.

[quote=KennyPowers post_id=1023865]We will see. If Carr goes to a shitty ORganition like the Raiders the results will be the same. If he goes to the Steelers or Saints. He will succeed. So when Car r broke his back, the same injury ended Tony Romo's career. Carr missed one game. Keep thinking he's a puss.[/quote]Carr to the Steelers?Lmao...Another cold weather team...Ain't happening...And as soft as Carr is the fans would rip him as bad as here.Saints are about the only team I could see him willing to play for.

[quote=Rainman56 post_id=1023870]Carr to the Steelers?Lmao...Another cold weather team...Ain't happening...And as soft as Carr is the fans would rip him as bad as here.[/quote]Shhhhhh, quit downplaying his enormous value

[quote=Rainman56 post_id=1023870]Carr to the Steelers?Lmao...Another cold weather team...Ain't happening...And as soft as Carr is the fans would rip him as bad as here.Saints are about the only team I could see him willing to play for.[/quote]If 11 players on offense play like dog shit and 11 players players on defense give up a TD on 90% of the possessions in cold weather. How is it the Qb's fault for the loss?