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For those wondering about Payton as the greatest?
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_RB.htm

The numbers back up Jim Brown's statements of Walter.

I remember OJ speaking about how lenient the sentencing was for Ruggs, comparing his longer sentence for his Vegas holdup, which was a minimum of 9 years i believe. He wasn’t wrong but OJ had a certain thing hanging over his head at the time and many believed it was late justice served, payback if you will.

Even if Ruggs is released, the league may step in and suspend him anyway. No matter what Ruggs does to earn money, it would seem relevant he be ordered to pay the family a percentage in an amount substantial enough to take the rest of his life to pay, if ever. He needs a reminder of what he did and for it to be a burden until he’s an old man. This is not a situation that ever gets truly rectified through monetary means because her family would gladly want her back over any amount of money. Unfortunately, that’s not an option and they will have to carry that grief throughout the rest of their lives.

100 percent preventable loss of life.

There is another side to this coin and I doubt it will be a popular take. I would not necessarily agree with it, but...

While a price tag cannot be attached of the families loss. Money will never bring the young lady or her dog back but Rugg's situation is different than the average person. He can command more attention, more wealth and more resources than most with his god given athletic talents.

Maybe if Rugg's were allowed to resume his professional career some good could be accomplished for others that could not be done while he is incarcerated?

The big if being could/would Ruggs make good on that? If he were released and allowed to play certain conditions would need to be met regarding community outreach and restitution to the girls family.

He is only 27, the kid can probably still play.

Ruggs will have missed 4.5 seasons of football. There's a good chance that he just couldn't even make a roster again. It's hard to get back to NFL level with that much time away from the game. My dog also has way better moves in open space.

chucker wrote: Thu May 14, 2026 5:58 am Ruggs will have missed 4.5 seasons of football. There's a good chance that he just couldn't even make a roster again. It's hard to get back to NFL level with that much time away from the game. My dog also has way better moves in open space.

My dogs spin move is NFL All Pro level. And for the record, his name is Tiger. When he was a pup, like right when we got him, he had this stuffed frog he would pounce on and thrash it around growling. Name just fit.

But wow he can spin like nobody's business.

And I had thought about the time away as well. He is still young so getting into NFL shape would be a lot of work but it is possible. Where I think the issue is lies with skill set. He was never a great route runner to begin with so relied on his speed. I do think the speed issue will hurt him should he get onto a team for a tryout.

Attyla wrote: Thu May 14, 2026 6:03 am My dogs spin move is NFL All Pro level. And for the record, his name is Tiger. When he was a pup, like right when we got him, he had this stuffed frog he would pounce on and thrash it around growling. Name just fit.

But wow he can spin like nobody's business.

And I had thought about the time away as well. He is still young so getting into NFL shape would be a lot of work but it is possible. Where I think the issue is lies with skill set. He was never a great route runner to begin with so relied on his speed. I do think the speed issue will hurt him should he get onto a team for a tryout.

Yep, he will have less skill and less speed, and effectively less experience at football given the time away.

Hopefully his parole is denied and he gets one more year away so none of this discussion matters. Other than the dog discussion of course.

Toast wrote: Thu May 14, 2026 5:06 am There is another side to this coin and I doubt it will be a popular take. I would not necessarily agree with it, but...

While a price tag cannot be attached of the families loss. Money will never bring the young lady or her dog back but Rugg's situation is different than the average person. He can command more attention, more wealth and more resources than most with his god given athletic talents.

Maybe if Rugg's were allowed to resume his professional career some good could be accomplished for others that could not be done while he is incarcerated?

The big if being could/would Ruggs make good on that? If he were released and allowed to play certain conditions would need to be met regarding community outreach and restitution to the girls family.

He is only 27, the kid can probably still play.

The way this works is thusly. There is not a world where there can be an agreement that a certain percentage of his income could be divvied out to her family. Life just does not work like that. But I do see a world where her family can still file a wrongful death lawsuit. If they won that, once the amount is ruled on, any money he still has could be awarded to the family. There are some laws that protect certain assets but not a significant amount. And if that still does not meet the award, then his wages, regardless of where he works, gets attached. Currently, that amount is limited to 25% of wages referred to as disposable income, or more specifically after taxes and protected amounts. For instance, insurance and such can be considered disposable or not depending on the state. If I recall correctly, Nevada does not protect deductions. So, let's say he makes a team, and let's say it is at the league minimum with no signing bonus. Federal taxes, SSI and Medicare plus any state or local taxes are removed from the calculation. Then each game check gets attached for the state where that game is played and here is the tricky part. Each state's garnishment law goes into effect. Nevada? 25% of that. California, also 25% but they protect more of his wages. But there are states where it maxes out at 15% and then there is Texas. Texas does not allow garnishments in most every case so his entire game checks would be protected. And Kansas? I know there is no team playing in the state but you have to renew all garnishments every 6 months. And there is usually a gap between the end and the start of the new one. If they did an out of market game there and he was in a gap month playing, no wages are attached. And then there is Pennsylvania where not only are federal taxes plus state taxes protected but they also have crazy added protections. City tax, county tax and school tax. Penn taxes their residents to death. Same with a few other states.

How f[raiders_icon]cked up is all of that?

Attyla wrote: Thu May 14, 2026 6:17 am The way this works is thusly. There is not a world where there can be an agreement that a certain percentage of his income could be divvied out to her family. Life just does not work like that. But I do see a world where her family can still file a wrongful death lawsuit. If they won that, once the amount is ruled on, any money he still has could be awarded to the family. There are some laws that protect certain assets but not a significant amount. And if that still does not meet the award, then his wages, regardless of where he works, gets attached. Currently, that amount is limited to 25% of wages referred to as disposable income, or more specifically after taxes and protected amounts. For instance, insurance and such can be considered disposable or not depending on the state. If I recall correctly, Nevada does not protect deductions. So, let's say he makes a team, and let's say it is at the league minimum with no signing bonus. Federal taxes, SSI and Medicare plus any state or local taxes are removed from the calculation. Then each game check gets attached for the state where that game is played and here is the tricky part. Each state's garnishment law goes into effect. Nevada? 25% of that. California, also 25% but they protect more of his wages. But there are states where it maxes out at 15% and then there is Texas. Texas does not allow garnishments in most every case so his entire game checks would be protected. And Kansas? I know there is no team playing in the state but you have to renew all garnishments every 6 months. And there is usually a gap between the end and the start of the new one. If they did an out of market game there and he was in a gap month playing, no wages are attached. And then there is Pennsylvania where not only are federal taxes plus state taxes protected but they also have crazy added protections. City tax, county tax and school tax. Penn taxes their residents to death. Same with a few other states.

How f[raiders_icon]cked up is all of that?

I’m not smart enough to know why we, as the US (I understand some on here are outside of this), as one country, can’t be under the same guidelines across the board. All laws. One rule. All circumstances. No safe haven by moving.

Everything, to me, is just too confusing, too much to keep track of.

Viper wrote: Thu May 14, 2026 6:47 am I’m not smart enough to know why we, as the US (I understand some on here are outside of this), as one country, can’t be under the same guidelines across the board. All laws. One rule. All circumstances. No safe haven by moving.

Everything, to me, is just too confusing, too much to keep track of.

Goes back to the original setup for the country. Originally the states were to hold the power of self determination not the federal government. So each state set up their own version rules for protected wages. Texas is by far the craziest. Literally, you cannot be garnished in the state. You actually have to file that in another state and then try to convince a judge in a Texas court to allow it to be pulled off of Texas based wages. And it almost never happens. The only things that override that in the state is federal student loans. But all states do agree on child support. They can take from your check on that, the only difference is the amount calculation. Some states like to take more than others. But child support is not considered a garnishment so the rules are different.

Attyla wrote: Thu May 14, 2026 6:54 am Goes back to the original setup for the country. Originally the states were to hold the power of self determination not the federal government. So each state set up their own version rules for protected wages. Texas is by far the craziest. Literally, you cannot be garnished in the state. You actually have to file that in another state and then try to convince a judge in a Texas court to allow it to be pulled off of Texas based wages. And it almost never happens. The only things that override that in the state is federal student loans. But all states do agree on child support. They can take from your check on that, the only difference is the amount calculation. Some states like to take more than others. But child support is not considered a garnishment so the rules are different.

I get it, it’s just proving my point, at least in my simple mind.

Attyla wrote: Thu May 14, 2026 6:03 am My dogs spin move is NFL All Pro level...
...But wow he can spin like nobody's business.

Sounds like James Worthy in the low post. NBA maybe?

Ruggs is one of many examples that rich murderers do less time than poor thieves.

chucker wrote: Wed May 13, 2026 4:56 pm I think the fact that it's turned to a discussion of dogs is in response to someone essentially posting that the dog's life shouldn't relevant in determining a prison term or parole decision.

My dog comes to work with me many days and gets to run around the mountain forest chasing squirrels and finding sticks while we're building trails - I love watching her. Then she hits the couch after we get home and is down for the count.

i could be having the worst day of my life at work and just look over at my dog with his big smile and tail wagging or doing something goofy like chasing squirrels and it makes me feel so much better ...GOD did good giving us this gift

Viper wrote: Thu May 14, 2026 7:23 am Ruggs is one of many examples that rich murderers do less time than poor thieves.

I AGREE 100 PCT ...the best lawyers cost money