Emo Andy Dalton after a trip to Sephora on Groundhog Day (Carr thread)

[RaiderandBulldog]

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[Dark Horse]

[quote=Southshield post_id=1130448]I think its great they are allowing Carr to talk to teams because him and his family are the best carny, used car salesmen, strip mall televangelists sellers around. Carr can sell himself to coaches who don't know him on his "work ethic", his "commitment", "team first" attitude like no one else. I think for coaches when they see him in that red shirt throwing footballs with pinpoint accuracy along with his charm while his brother sells his brother's propaganda on the NFL network is a win win for this franchise in creating value out of nothing.[/quote]"If you like 4th quarter comebacks..."

[Attyla]

keep telling you guys, views on Carr are vastly different depending on who you talk to. My contact with the Titans says there is a belief that he is better than perceived and is a product of a badly run team but if given more stability can be a top level QB, I have my own personal views but support this view if taken by other teams

[Sir Raider Duck, OMS]

[quote=Attyla post_id=1130478]keep telling you guys, views on Carr are vastly different depending on who you talk to. My contact with the Titans says there is a belief that he is better than perceived and is a product of a badly run team but if given more stability can be a top level QB, I have my own personal views but support this view if taken by other teams[/quote]That sounds like McDaniels' thoughts last year, and Gruden's thoughts in 2018: "[Carr] is better than perceived and is a product of a badly run team but if given more stability can be a top level QB."

[Attyla]

[quote=Sir Raider Duck, OMS post_id=1130479]That sounds like McDaniels' thoughts last year, and Gruden's thoughts in 2018: "[Carr] is better than perceived and is a product of a badly run team but if given more stability can be a top level QB."[/quote]Well, Gruden was an idiot and McDaniels cut bait

[Ordos]

[quote=RaidersAreOne post_id=1130432]https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status ... 4229327874[/quote]What's inferred here (and subsequent reports) seems to be that Ziegler came in with more of a 'flat fee' compensation target, and asked how many clubs would be willing to meet it.

Interesting approach, and I like the thinking

[KillingJoke]

If teams are willing to trade for Carr that means they are willing to pay that contract. Why would Carr accept a trade and essentially help the raiders when he could agree to the same contract with whatever team was willing to trade for him?

[Dark Horse]

[quote=KillingJoke post_id=1130482]If teams are willing to trade for Carr that means they are willing to pay that contract. Why would Carr accept a trade and essentially help the raiders when he could agree to the same contract with whatever team was willing to trade for him?[/quote] Petty bragging rights, and Carr is a petty guy.

[Ordos]

[quote=KillingJoke post_id=1130482]If teams are willing to trade for Carr that means they are willing to pay that contract. Why would Carr accept a trade and essentially help the raiders when he could agree to the same contract with whatever team was willing to trade for him?[/quote]Raiders still don't have to cut him.

The old man might've told him to pound sand, and sat him on the bench

[FLORIDARAYDAH]

[quote=KillingJoke post_id=1130482]If teams are willing to trade for Carr that means they are willing to pay that contract. Why would Carr accept a trade and essentially help the raiders when he could agree to the same contract with whatever team was willing to trade for him?[/quote]You answered your own question. If there are teams willing to trade for him why would you take a chance on him going to another team?

[silver_ghost]

[quote=KillingJoke post_id=1130482]If teams are willing to trade for Carr that means they are willing to pay that contract. Why would Carr accept a trade and essentially help the raiders when he could agree to the same contract with whatever team was willing to trade for him?[/quote]The current Carr contract comparatively, has very little guaranteed money which is why despite the high total salary nos. teams are interested in Carr. They can always rework the contract to suit their cap. If Carr is an FA, his agent would want much higher guaranteed money compared to the current contract. In addition, there may be competition for his services. GMs prefer a sure thing as opposed to rolling the dice. Compensation-wise, I see a 2nd or a 3rd round draft pick. I don't see anybody paying more than that for Carr. Conversely, if Carr is an FA, sure Raiders get nothing in return but it is also possible that Carr won't get the total salary that is in his current contract & it is very likely that he will get a larger guaranteed salary but not the total compensation.
I think somebody intelligent is advising the Carr family and has told them to keep quiet & let his agent handle the contract issues. This is why David & Darren have stopped yakking in the media.

[ALLRAIDERWORLD21]

[quote=KillingJoke post_id=1130482]If teams are willing to trade for Carr that means they are willing to pay that contract. Why would Carr accept a trade and essentially help the raiders when he could agree to the same contract with whatever team was willing to trade for him?[/quote]I think there's a pride element as well. Carr would rather be traded than cut like some 3rd string scrub. A team willing to trade a high round pick for Carr is essentially saying to him they have confidence in him. As well, he can always renegotiate his contract, and as mentioned before, just because he has a good conversation with a team in trade talks, doesn't mean he'll choose them in free agency. If a team really wants him, they'd be wise to trade.

[rich72]

The Raiders have to be playing hardball with Carr behind the scenes if he agrees to a trade.

[VEfreak]

[quote=HesterLayes post_id=1130453]Ssshhh..the national media loves him


[/quote]I really hope he lights it up. Flag football against a bunch of other alternates. This could be huge for us.

[DrDUne]

I don’t care if you hate Carr, love Carr, or anything in between - Carr has trade value.

What may not be trade-able is his contract. If this front office fails to get anything for Carr, it’s another (and perhaps their biggest) blunder.

Derek Carr will start week 1 for an NFL team. His contract, proposed and agreed to by this front office, is the issue. This is on them.

Last off-season, Jarrett Stidham had trade value. Tyree Gillespie had trade value. Trayvon Mullen and Bryan Edwards had trade value. Releasing a starting QB for nothing would be a gaffe this front office has to answer for.

[GoodTimeCharlie]

[quote=DrDUne post_id=1130494]I don’t care if you hate Carr, love Carr, or anything in between - Carr has trade value.

What may not be trade-able is his contract. If this front office fails to get anything for Carr, it’s another (and perhaps their biggest) blunder.

Derek Carr will start week 1 for an NFL team. His contract, proposed and agreed to by this front office, is the issue. This is on them.

Last off-season, Jarrett Stidham had trade value. Tyree Gillespie had trade value. Trayvon Mullen and Bryan Edwards had trade value. Releasing a starting QB for nothing would be a gaffe this front office has to answer for.[/quote]https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ContentThrift ... ricted.gif