Emo Andy Dalton after a trip to Sephora on Groundhog Day (Carr thread)
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RaiderandBulldog
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The last 4-5 pages have been highly entertaining. I’ll leave it at that.
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Aqua
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[quote=grosse gurke post_id=1017648] When Bridgewater signed with the Panthers it was for more than $20 million a year. [/quote]Bridgewater is now on a one year contract paying him $11 to $12 million.
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[quote=Raiderman4 post_id=1017642]Lots of heart and guts not the most talented player by any stretch[/quote]Heart and guts???Damn we are on polar opposite sides of the spectrum concerning Carr....IMO if his heart and mentality matched his athletic talent I think he'd be far more successful and many that want him gone would have a different opinion...Just my thoughts though.
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[quote=Aqua post_id=1017692]Bridgewater is now on a one year contract paying him $11 to $12 million.[/quote]Yes but he was a backup QB prior to his current one...If he were to play well enough to remain a starter and sign a longer term contract he'd make more $$$ imo.
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raiders1988xyz
unless you have a quarterback like brady who keep taking discounts and getting players to join him
or your quarterback on the rookie contract - 5 years
if you don't have either of those, you aren't going to the super bowl
or your quarterback on the rookie contract - 5 years
if you don't have either of those, you aren't going to the super bowl
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[quote=raiders1988xyz post_id=1017698]unless you have a quarterback like brady who keep taking discounts and getting players to join him
or your quarterback on the rookie contract - 5 years
if you don't have either of those, you aren't going to the super bowl[/quote]Look back at the list of QBs in the SB, and you'll see this just isn't true. Brady skews the list because he seems to be one of the QBs seemingly every damn year but Mahomes went to the game on a new contract, Jimmy G, Ryan, the Mannings.
or your quarterback on the rookie contract - 5 years
if you don't have either of those, you aren't going to the super bowl[/quote]Look back at the list of QBs in the SB, and you'll see this just isn't true. Brady skews the list because he seems to be one of the QBs seemingly every damn year but Mahomes went to the game on a new contract, Jimmy G, Ryan, the Mannings.
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raiders1988xyz
[quote=chucker post_id=1017699]Look back at the list of QBs in the SB, and you'll see this just isn't true. Brady skews the list because he seems to be one of the QBs seemingly every damn year but Mahomes went to the game on a new contract, Jimmy G, Ryan, the Mannings.[/quote]let look at the contract a year for both quarterbacks in the super bowl
2020
brady - 25M
mahomes - 5.3M
2019
mahomes - 4.4M
garoppolo - 20M
can't able to log in for 2018 or lower
2018
brady
goff - rookie contract
2017
wentz - rookie contract
brady
2016
brady
ryan
2015
manning
newton
2014
brady
wilson - rookie contract
2013
wilson - rookie contract
manning
2012
flacco - i believe on rookie contact, haven't got paid after his 5th season where he cash out
kaepernick - rookie contract
2020
brady - 25M
mahomes - 5.3M
2019
mahomes - 4.4M
garoppolo - 20M
can't able to log in for 2018 or lower
2018
brady
goff - rookie contract
2017
wentz - rookie contract
brady
2016
brady
ryan
2015
manning
newton
2014
brady
wilson - rookie contract
2013
wilson - rookie contract
manning
2012
flacco - i believe on rookie contact, haven't got paid after his 5th season where he cash out
kaepernick - rookie contract
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raiders1988xyz
the past 9 super bowls
6 times, the quarterbacks went to the super bowl is on the rookie contract
flacco
kaepernick
wilson x2
wentz
goff
mahomes x2
then you got manning, brady x5, newton, ryan, jimmy g
6 times, the quarterbacks went to the super bowl is on the rookie contract
flacco
kaepernick
wilson x2
wentz
goff
mahomes x2
then you got manning, brady x5, newton, ryan, jimmy g
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[quote=raiders1988xyz post_id=1017698]unless you have a quarterback like brady who keep taking discounts and getting players to join him
or your quarterback on the rookie contract - 5 years
if you don't have either of those, you aren't going to the super bowl[/quote]Sorry, but those explanations just don't match with the statement you made. Either a QB taking discounts and getting players to join him or a rookie deal....... And it's just not true.
Don't mistake this for me wanting to extend Carr, because I don't want to do it. IMO an extension for Carr is $40 million a year - similar to what Dak got, a year later, with a higher cap and remember Dak got that deal coming off a major injury.
Let Carr play out his deal and then potentially take it to a franchise tag year too. Franchise tags for QBs are relatively affordable, if the QB is good.
There's the rub - the QB has to be good. It's much more about how well he plays than how much you pay him.
or your quarterback on the rookie contract - 5 years
if you don't have either of those, you aren't going to the super bowl[/quote]Sorry, but those explanations just don't match with the statement you made. Either a QB taking discounts and getting players to join him or a rookie deal....... And it's just not true.
Don't mistake this for me wanting to extend Carr, because I don't want to do it. IMO an extension for Carr is $40 million a year - similar to what Dak got, a year later, with a higher cap and remember Dak got that deal coming off a major injury.
Let Carr play out his deal and then potentially take it to a franchise tag year too. Franchise tags for QBs are relatively affordable, if the QB is good.
There's the rub - the QB has to be good. It's much more about how well he plays than how much you pay him.
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raiders1988xyz
your best bet making the super bowl is drafting a rookie quarterback and load up the defense
2012 ravens
2012 49ers
2013 seahawks
2014 seahawks
2017 eagles
2018 rams
2019 chiefs
2020 chiefs
we may see the ravens, patriots, bills making the super bowl this year
jackson is on the rookie contract
jones is on the rookie contract
allen got a big contract, but only making 10.2M this year
2012 ravens
2012 49ers
2013 seahawks
2014 seahawks
2017 eagles
2018 rams
2019 chiefs
2020 chiefs
we may see the ravens, patriots, bills making the super bowl this year
jackson is on the rookie contract
jones is on the rookie contract
allen got a big contract, but only making 10.2M this year
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raiders1988xyz
[quote=chucker post_id=1017702]Sorry, but those explanations just don't match with the statement you made. Either a QB taking discounts and getting players to join him or a rookie deal....... And it's just not true.
Don't mistake this for me wanting to extend Carr, because I don't want to do it. IMO an extension for Carr is $40 million a year - similar to what Dak got, a year later, with a higher cap and remember Dak got that deal coming off a major injury.
Let Carr play out his deal and then potentially take it to a franchise tag year too. Franchise tags for QBs are relatively affordable, if the QB is good.
There's the rub - the QB has to be good. It's much more about how well he plays than how much you pay him.[/quote]yes the quarterback have to be good, but it help paying the rest of the money towards the defense. i posted with damning evidence before i saw this
even mahomes being paid dirt cheap compare to others, his contract won't kick in until next season
Don't mistake this for me wanting to extend Carr, because I don't want to do it. IMO an extension for Carr is $40 million a year - similar to what Dak got, a year later, with a higher cap and remember Dak got that deal coming off a major injury.
Let Carr play out his deal and then potentially take it to a franchise tag year too. Franchise tags for QBs are relatively affordable, if the QB is good.
There's the rub - the QB has to be good. It's much more about how well he plays than how much you pay him.[/quote]yes the quarterback have to be good, but it help paying the rest of the money towards the defense. i posted with damning evidence before i saw this
even mahomes being paid dirt cheap compare to others, his contract won't kick in until next season
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Aqua
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[quote=raiders1988xyz post_id=1017703]your best bet making the super bowl is drafting a rookie quarterback and load up the defense
2012 ravens
2012 49ers
2013 seahawks
2014 seahawks
2017 eagles
2018 rams
2019 chiefs
2020 chiefs
we may see the ravens, patriots, bills making the super bowl this year
jackson is on the rookie contract
jones is on the rookie contract
allen got a big contract, but only making 10.2M this year[/quote]I expect that the Bills will regret over paying for their QB. I agree with you that utilizing relatively low rookie contracts for a QB is a good sense way to assemble a winning team.
2012 ravens
2012 49ers
2013 seahawks
2014 seahawks
2017 eagles
2018 rams
2019 chiefs
2020 chiefs
we may see the ravens, patriots, bills making the super bowl this year
jackson is on the rookie contract
jones is on the rookie contract
allen got a big contract, but only making 10.2M this year[/quote]I expect that the Bills will regret over paying for their QB. I agree with you that utilizing relatively low rookie contracts for a QB is a good sense way to assemble a winning team.
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raiders1988xyz
[quote=Aqua post_id=1017705]I expect that the Bills will regret over paying for their QB. I agree with you that utilizing relatively low rookie contracts for a QB is a good sense way to assemble a winning team.[/quote]https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bil ... len-25102/
maybe the bills will regret it, but not until 2023 season. their window is closing for 2 seasons
2021 - 10.2M
2022 - 16.3M
2023 - 39.7M huge jump
maybe the bills will regret it, but not until 2023 season. their window is closing for 2 seasons
2021 - 10.2M
2022 - 16.3M
2023 - 39.7M huge jump
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signal
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Moving forward, I hope the organization hires a good HC and then they trade Carr and use the draft capital gained to draft his replacement and use the cap space to fortify the rest of the team.
If done right, the Raiders could right the ship and finally end these decades of mediocrity at best.
To not make the changes, is akin to suggesting that there is nothing wrong and that the organization is not mired in the muck of mediocrity and to get more of the same for years to come. In short, rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat....
If done right, the Raiders could right the ship and finally end these decades of mediocrity at best.
To not make the changes, is akin to suggesting that there is nothing wrong and that the organization is not mired in the muck of mediocrity and to get more of the same for years to come. In short, rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat....
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raiders1988xyz
[quote=signal post_id=1017711]Moving forward, I hope the organization hires a good HC and then they trade Carr and use the draft capital gained to draft his replacement and use the cap space to fortify the rest of the team.
If done right, the Raiders could right the ship and finally end these decades of mediocrity at best.
To not make the changes, is akin to suggesting that there is nothing wrong and that the organization is not mired in the muck of mediocrity and to get more of the same for years to come. In short, rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat....[/quote]yep, too bad mark davis isn't very bright when it come to derek carr
i bet he probably telling the new gm and head coach, we are keeping carr and paying him 35M a year...
If done right, the Raiders could right the ship and finally end these decades of mediocrity at best.
To not make the changes, is akin to suggesting that there is nothing wrong and that the organization is not mired in the muck of mediocrity and to get more of the same for years to come. In short, rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat....[/quote]yep, too bad mark davis isn't very bright when it come to derek carr
i bet he probably telling the new gm and head coach, we are keeping carr and paying him 35M a year...