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Training Camp 2026

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2026 12:30 pm
by Atlasffa
Rookies report to TC on July 23. All others on July 28. Below are dates open to the public.


Re: Training Camp 2026

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2026 8:39 pm
by 16 to 88
Atlasffa wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2026 6:07 pm In case you were wondering...

Win-loss record of QBs selected number one since 2016:

Cam Ward (2025, Titans): Finished his rookie year with a 3-14 record.

Caleb Williams (2024, Chicago Bears): Finished his rookie year with a 9–8 record, leading the Bears to a winning season.

Bryce Young (2023, Carolina Panthers): Finished his rookie year with a 2–14 record in 16 starts.

Trevor Lawrence (2021, Jacksonville Jaguars): Finished his rookie year with a 3–14 record in 17 starts.

Joe Burrow (2020, Cincinnati Bengals): Finished his rookie year with a 2–7–1 record before suffering a season-ending knee injury in 10 games.

Kyler Murray (2019, Arizona Cardinals): Finished his rookie year with a 5–10–1 record in 16 starts.

Baker Mayfield (2018, Cleveland Browns): Finished his rookie year with a 7–7 record (6–7 as a starter) in 14 total appearances.

Jared Goff (2016, Los Angeles Rams): Finished his rookie year with a 0–7 record in 7 starts. First start on Nov 15 after sitting behind Case Keenum.

All talented, successful college QBs, pretty much the same result for all with the small exception for Caleb Williams who had a winning record by one game and Baker who went 50-50 (if you include a game he did not start, but did finish). FM has the good fortune to have a coach with a plan and the right people in place to mentor him. Fingers crossed, the plan will work.
Correction, I felt this wasn't correct when I read it. Williams 2024 record was 5-12, leading the bears to a losing season.

It will be an interesting season for him as his rookie campaign he had 562 attempts with 351 completions for a 62.5 completion percentage with 3541 passing yards 6.3 avg and 20-6 TD to INT ratio while being sacked 68 times. He did however have 10 fumbles 5 of which were lost.

Enter new HC and the 2026 season. He went 568 for 330 for a 58.1 completion percentage with 3942 passing yards 6.9 avg and 27-7 TD to INT ratio while being sacked 24 times. Last year he had 9 fumbles but only 1 lost. So in two years he has fumbled the ball 19 times.

When you put it all together while his comp percentage and yards went up he was sacked 44 times LESS last year but his completion percentage was dreadful and the fumbling issue still plagued him.

Re: Training Camp 2026

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2026 8:42 pm
by 16 to 88
Xramfan wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2026 6:23 pm Well, to be honest, I honestly dont trust people who open with, "To be honest"
Thanks for being honest.

Re: Training Camp 2026

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2026 8:45 pm
by rich72
Xramfan wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2026 5:06 pm Thank you for being honest. Does this mean most of the other times you post something youre being dishonest?
Well sometimes I just post without really thinking about it, so yes. This time I paused and really went over the tape, the numbers, the overall situation, and only after all of that did I post that last post.

Re: Training Camp 2026

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2026 8:47 pm
by Atlasffa
16 to 88 wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2026 8:39 pm Correction, I felt this wasn't correct when I read it. Williams 2024 record was 5-12, leading the bears to a losing season.

It will be an interesting season for him as his rookie campaign he had 562 attempts with 351 completions for a 62.5 completion percentage with 3541 passing yards 6.3 avg and 20-6 TD to INT ratio while being sacked 68 times. He did however have 10 fumbles 5 of which were lost.

Enter new HC and the 2026 season. He went 568 for 330 for a 58.1 completion percentage with 3942 passing yards 6.9 avg and 27-7 TD to INT ratio while being sacked 24 times. Last year he had 9 fumbles but only 1 lost. So in two years he has fumbled the ball 19 times.

When you put it all together while his comp percentage and yards went up he was sacked 44 times LESS last year but his completion percentage was dreadful and the fumbling issue still plagued him.
Thanks for the correction. I have fired my AI assistant--errors like that are not acceptable!

Re: Training Camp 2026

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2026 9:02 pm
by Atlasffa
16 to 88 wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2026 8:39 pm Correction, I felt this wasn't correct when I read it. Williams 2024 record was 5-12, leading the bears to a losing season.

It will be an interesting season for him as his rookie campaign he had 562 attempts with 351 completions for a 62.5 completion percentage with 3541 passing yards 6.3 avg and 20-6 TD to INT ratio while being sacked 68 times. He did however have 10 fumbles 5 of which were lost.

Enter new HC and the 2026 season. He went 568 for 330 for a 58.1 completion percentage with 3942 passing yards 6.9 avg and 27-7 TD to INT ratio while being sacked 24 times. Last year he had 9 fumbles but only 1 lost. So in two years he has fumbled the ball 19 times.

When you put it all together while his comp percentage and yards went up he was sacked 44 times LESS last year but his completion percentage was dreadful and the fumbling issue still plagued him.
He is a very talented QB. He would have benefited from sitting at least half the season, and oh, maybe a coach better suited to him. CW did a lot of "winging it" that first year and was very frustrated. I thought that W-L given by AI was wrong but didn't double check believing AI to have a better memory than me. Actual stat makes my point even stronger. None of them had a winning season.

Re: Training Camp 2026

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2026 10:13 pm
by mranquales
Not playing up to your standard, then instead of being allowed to redeem yourself, you sit on a bench for a year has to be frustrating as a young QB.

Re: Training Camp 2026

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2026 10:52 pm
by Arsenal Raider

Re: Training Camp 2026

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2026 3:02 am
by WNYRAIDER
Xramfan wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2026 5:06 pm Thank you for being honest. Does this mean most of the other times you post something youre being dishonest?
....and should his answer be 'no', might he be being less than truthful?....

Re: Training Camp 2026

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2026 3:33 am
by powski
Xramfan wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2026 7:29 pm Dude, this place is optimistic compared to chat lol. Go there for a day or two and then come back here for some fresh air ;)
:laugh:
I forget its even there, but thanks for the heads up.

Valid criticism is fine and I am for it. It's just that most of it has gotten absurd early. Already!

I think the Raiders are finally building a team properly, but when you start at the very bottom you dont make it to the top the next day or even year.

Kubiak and his coaches need to be given time to do this right. Its not all going to be pretty or how you would have done it, but the lack of continuity at head coach (and GM) has been absolutely brutal and a killer for the team these last 3 decades.

Note to self: do not go to chat.

Re: Training Camp 2026

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2026 7:27 am
by Nor_Cal_Raider
GoodTimeCharlie wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2026 6:22 pm Defenses ‘bout to take a 2x4 upside the head?
Time two f[raiders_icon]ck some defenses, no fourplay?
Bring’n two kinds of pain and misery four the opposition?
Two-steppin’ and fourk’n dem fools?
2 two tango, 4 on the floor?

Last, but not least…

”The Lumberyard”
”Layin’ the Wood”
I like the 2x4 laying the wood

Re: Training Camp 2026

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2026 8:07 am
by ELCAraiderfan
Nor_Cal_Raider wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2026 7:27 am I like the 2x4 laying the wood
2 x 4 Layin' the Wood

I believe there is a screen printed t-shirt selling opportunity in that

Re: Training Camp 2026

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2026 9:43 am
by Opoponax50
powski wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2026 3:33 am

Valid criticism is fine and I am for it. It's just that most of it has gotten absurd early. Already!
I am concerned about how poorly Mendoza did in preseason. He showed nothing that any 2nd rounder couldn't have shown.

Does that mean I'm predicting long term failure?

Of course not. But I do think he's behind schedule.

A lot of people here would be lying if they thought he would've been so clearly behind the curve by this point. We were hoping he'd give Cousins some kind of run for his money, but instead the coaching staff had an easy decision to make.

As I've said before, maybe I have football PTSD from six years of excuse making with Carr. All he needed was a great receiving corp, a star TE, an all pro O-line, and a top 5 running game. Then he'd show the world what he can do. I don't want to see the same thing happen all over again.

Re: Training Camp 2026

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2026 9:56 am
by Attyla
Opoponax50 wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2026 9:43 am I am concerned about how poorly Mendoza did in preseason. He showed nothing that any 2nd rounder couldn't have shown.

Does that mean I'm predicting long term failure?

Of course not. But I do think he's behind schedule.

A lot of people here would be lying if they thought he would've been so clearly behind the curve by this point. We were hoping he'd give Cousins some kind of run for his money, but instead the coaching staff had an easy decision to make.

As I've said before, maybe I have football PTSD from six years of excuse making with Carr. All he needed was a great receiving corp, a star TE, an all pro O-line, and a top 5 running game. Then he'd show the world what he can do. I don't want to see the same thing happen all over again.
There were flashes from him. But you have to look at the large picture here. He has not thrown a pass to Bowers and the rest of the receivers were not solid. There were drops and bad routes from the group. And he did not have much time. He has struggled with the pass rush against blockers who are just not that good. On the pick six play his line utterly failed. Was he off balance? Yes, but the rush was coming and you know you are in trouble when Mafi was your best lineman. And there is another factor people fail to see. He is working under center where he has never been much before. That coupled with the speed of the game and the poor blocking and the poor receivers were huge contributors.

He will eventually start and then and only then are we in a position to see what we got. Ward started last year and he looked like utter garbage.

Re: Training Camp 2026

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2026 9:59 am
by SkullCrusher
Opoponax50 wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2026 9:43 am I am concerned about how poorly Mendoza did in preseason. He showed nothing that any 2nd rounder couldn't have shown.

Does that mean I'm predicting long term failure?

Of course not. But I do think he's behind schedule.

A lot of people here would be lying if they thought he would've been so clearly behind the curve by this point. We were hoping he'd give Cousins some kind of run for his money, but instead the coaching staff had an easy decision to make.

As I've said before, maybe I have football PTSD from six years of excuse making with Carr. All he needed was a great receiving corp, a star TE, an all pro O-line, and a top 5 running game. Then he'd show the world what he can do. I don't want to see the same thing happen all over again.
While Indiana didn't have top recruits, in the end they had the whole package and he excelled in having all those things.

It's why Caleb Williams is still the top prospect in a long time, because he's a QB that can make things happen when there isn't anything there.

Now Williams can be surpassed if other great QB's do get what they need to succeed, he's not a methodical QB and if methodical is working for those other QB's, it's better, you control the game that way.

Re: Training Camp 2026

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2026 10:03 am
by DanKD
Mendoza did not play like the #1 overall pick to start one of the best college seasons in history. He didn't enter college blowing away people. If the draft was held after week 3 of last season hes not a 1st rounder. What he seems to have over every other qb is ability to learn and improve and work tirelessly without discouragement or changing his approach.

Also despite his lackluster play, he did show off a powerful arm which was a bit unexpected. And Attyla is not wronv, the team around him did him no favors. And he played under 10 snaps under center his entire college career.

Maybe Mendoza disapponts, but any reaction along those lines at this point is beyond ridiculous