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I am glad we have Gino to hold the fort for now. He is still solid and the cost was better than expected (both draft and contract). I know there were a few who thought AO was average or better

[quote=RI RAIDER post_id=1283364]I know there were a few who thought AO was average or better [/quote]If they meant "average backup or better," they might be correct.

Average starter? AO12??? Not even close.

AO12 can't run, but neither could Brady. I hope that with some time in ONE system he develops into a start to replace Geno. Not saying likely but has shown skill and word is he can place the ball. If he did what great problem to have!

[quote=raiderkoch post_id=1283372]AO12 can't run, but neither could Brady. I hope that with some time in ONE system he develops into a start to replace Geno. Not saying likely but has shown skill and word is he can place the ball. If he did what great problem to have![/quote]Some things he does pretty good, but his pocket awareness issues have given way to his getting rid of the ball very quickly and not letting routes develop. His deep ball is still ugly and when he is forced out of the pocket he does not typically square up on his throws. I know his fan will deny all of that but the tape, as they say, does not lie. Good backup and by all I have read a really good guy, which every team needs

[quote=Attyla post_id=1283373]Some things he does pretty good, but his pocket awareness issues have given way to his getting rid of the ball very quickly and not letting routes develop. His deep ball is still ugly and when he is forced out of the pocket he does not typically square up on his throws. I know his fan will deny all of that but the tape, as they say, does not lie. Good backup and by all I have read a really good guy, which every team needs[/quote]Maybe his fan just wanted us to get a ticket to the Arch sweepstakes.

[quote=RI RAIDER post_id=1283374]Maybe his fan just wanted us to get a ticket to the Arch sweepstakes.[/quote]I mean, maybe? Thing is O'Connell did not win the job out of camp last year, and we had a coach everyone knew was on a short leash. He was not about to play job roulette by making decisions that would doom him, he went with his best hand and it backfired. But that only tells me they had concerns about O'Connell and only moved him into the starting lineup because Getsy was a clown and did not call plays Minshew was good at. Getsy and Pierce made bad decisions but Telesco set them both up to fail as well.

I get Derek Anderson and Case Keenum vibes with Darnold. One good year then gravitates to the median.

[quote=Attyla post_id=1283375]I mean, maybe? Thing is O'Connell did not win the job out of camp last year, and we had a coach everyone knew was on a short leash. He was not about to play job roulette by making decisions that would doom him, he went with his best hand and it backfired. But that only tells me they had concerns about O'Connell and only moved him into the starting lineup because Getsy was a clown and did not call plays Minshew was good at. Getsy and Pierce made bad decisions but Telesco set them both up to fail as well.[/quote]No doubt. I just think anyone who thinks he is more than a backup are kidding themselves (or high as a mother f[raiders_icon]cker).

[quote=Oaktown Superman post_id=1283376]I get Derek Anderson and Case Keenum vibes with Darnold. One good year then gravitates to the median.[/quote]oh, I think it is likely that Darnold takes a step back, new system, not nearly the best supporting cast and line, I would be surprised if his arc continues upward.

[quote=Attyla post_id=1283379]oh, I think it is likely that Darnold takes a step back, new system, not nearly the best supporting cast and line, I would be surprised if his arc continues upward.[/quote]Keenum looked the part in Minnesota then went elsewhere and reverted to Keenum in Houston. I expect the same thing from Darnold in Seattle. He ain’t got no Jefferson to throw to there.

[quote=raiderkoch post_id=1283372]AO12 can't run, but neither could Brady. I hope that with some time in ONE system he develops into a start to replace Geno. Not saying likely but has shown skill and word is he can place the ball. If he did what great problem to have![/quote]I want to see him:

1. Behind a good line.
2. With a competent running back.
3. With a sane offensive system in place.
4. Stability/continuity in coaching and mgt.

No, I don't think he will be a superstar, but we have not seen his best yet.

[quote=raider_kin post_id=1283381]I want to see him:

1. Behind a good line.
2. With a competent running back.
3. With a sane offensive system in place.
4. Stability/continuity in coaching and mgt.

No, I don't think he will be a superstar, but we have not seen his best yet.[/quote]Wait, wait, I have heard this one somewhere before.

[quote=Attyla post_id=1283382]Wait, wait, I have heard this one somewhere before.[/quote]The voices in your head again? There are people who can help you with that.

[quote=raiderkoch post_id=1283372]AO12 can't run, but neither could Brady. I hope that with some time in ONE system he develops into a start to replace Geno. Not saying likely but has shown skill and word is he can place the ball. If he did what great problem to have![/quote]Although it was tough to see through all the offensive shit last year, I'll give O'Connell credit for improving his ability to slide around in the pocket.

And like you said, he's had what, 3 or 4 OCs since we drafted him?

I'm not saying he'll be our starter after Geno, but I do hope we hold onto him for a couple more years to see if coaching consistency can turn him into a real starting QB.

[quote=Attyla post_id=1283379]oh, I think it is likely that Darnold takes a step back, new system, not nearly the best supporting cast and line, I would be surprised if his arc continues upward.[/quote]Plus he had the luxury of the dome half the season.