Emo Andy Dalton after a trip to Sephora on Groundhog Day (Carr thread)

[RaiderandBulldog]

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[Amish Cabal]

Hate when opposing fans are right.

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Following a loss that was worthy of tears, Raiders quarterback Derek Carr turns on the waterworks and slams teammates for not caring as much as himself.

There is no bias in the world quite like that of a Kansas City Chiefs fan with disdain for the Las Vegas Raiders. In the wake of quarterback Derek Carr’s emotional post-game press conference from Sunday, however, I don’t believe bias plays any role in negative talking points against the Raiders QB.

After a disappointing loss to the Indianapolis Colts— a team led by a first-time head coach, an analytics specialist as an offensive coordinator, and a previously benched 37-year-old quarterback under center—Carr was rightfully upset. The way in which he shared his feelings, though, was rather pathetic.

I don’t mean to say that men shouldn’t cry, or that the Raiders’ season hasn’t been worthy of tears. I mean to point out the prestigiousness of NFL head coaching and starting quarterback roles. There are only 32 individuals who don each of those titles every week, and they come with a great deal of pressure and expectation. The NFL is the most cutthroat professional sports league and there is a short leash on each of those individuals ahead of every season. For Carr to believe that he is deserving of any lesser expectation because of how passionately he feels about the Raiders’ organization is what I find pathetic.

I can only imagine the ease of devotion to an organization that not only supports you throughout an objectively unsuccessful career but pays you as if you have been elite. That’s a feeling that I cannot even remotely connect to, as each of my employers has demanded at least above-average performance from me. Carr has repeatedly finished seasons at the bottom of the top third, or right at the league median in passing yards and touchdowns, and yet, the Raiders handed him a contract that made him the seventh highest-paid QB in the league on an annual basis.

In his blubbering post-game spiel, he made repeated remarks suggesting a lack of overall buy-in from the locker room. He said, “As a leader that pisses [him] off.” My overwhelming confusion with the outcry of support that he has received online following the presser is simple: if he is the leader of the locker room, as the longest-tenured individual on the team, is it not his responsibility to create that buy-in? If he is unhappy with the locker room culture, is it not his job, as the leader, to correct it? If he feels so strongly about “this place” and is so pissed off about lesser feelings from his teammates, is there not a better way to go about it than crying to the media?

Make no mistake, I absolutely hate the Raiders and have been an outspoken Derek Carr naysayer for the better part of a decade. Truly, though, I find myself as perplexed as ever by his supporters today. He is an incredibly average NFL quarterback and has been nothing more for the past eight years. He has yet to win a single playoff game, has more third and fourth-place divisional finishes than he does runner-ups—he’s never won and won’t any time soon—and has skated by on the most blatantly astounding mediocrity that NFL fans have borne witness to over the past decade.

Josh McDaniels probably won’t make it past next week as the Raiders’ head coach, and the next hottest seat in the building is the $121.5M throne that Derek Carr sits upon. It is difficult to comprehend the organization’s fiscal commitment to him, and he clearly doesn’t see the same sheen on the silver spoon in his mouth as I do. If I could offer a bit of advice, should he see this and not block me, it would be simple: either get a grip on your locker room or start working on your clipboard grip in case someone out there is dumb enough to pick up that contract of yours.

[Attyla]

damn, that was tough to read but I find little I can argue with there.

[Opoponax50]

[quote=Attyla post_id=1099967]damn, that was tough to read but I find little I can argue with there.[/quote]We've known for years that Chiefs fans love our QB.

To me, that speaks volumes more than any set of statistics could ever hope to convey. You don't even have to look at the win-loss column when your most hated rival wants your most important player to stay on your team.

Bonus points for the writer of that piece. The overwhelming majority of Chiefs fans can't write more than a coherent sentence or two before devolving into some sort of meth addled singularly toothed mish-mash of hillbilly gibberish.

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[quote=Opoponax50 post_id=1100002]We've known for years that Chiefs fans love our QB.

To me, that speaks volumes more than any set of statistics could ever hope to convey. You don't even have to look at the win-loss column when your most hated rival wants your most important player to stay on your team.

Bonus points for the writer of that piece. The overwhelming majority of Chiefs fans can't write more than a coherent sentence or two before devolving into some sort of meth addled singularly toothed mish-mash of hillbilly gibberish.[/quote]I think the entire AFC West loves our QB. They know as long as Carr is behind center, the Raiders most probably are going to fold and stumble long before they return to greatness.

[VEfreak]

[quote=signal post_id=1100006]I think the entire AFC West loves our QB. They know as long as Carr is behind center, the Raiders most probably are going to fold and stumble long before they return to greatness.[/quote]Even if Carr isn’t the worst QB in the league, which he’s not, he isn’t dangerous either. With Mahomes it feels like no lead is ever safe, that the chiefs could rip off 21 points in a matter of minutes. Or that once they get ahead you could be buried in an avalanche of points. Carr led offenses are slow and predictable. If you get a lead against the Raiders you can get comfortable. If you’re behind you always have a chance to catch up. I hate it.

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[quote=VEfreak post_id=1100007]Even if Carr isn’t the worst QB in the league, which he’s not, he isn’t dangerous either. With Mahomes it feels like no lead is ever safe, that the chiefs could rip off 21 points in a matter of minutes. Or that once they get ahead you could be buried in an avalanche of points. Carr led offenses are slow and predictable. If you get a lead against the Raiders you can get comfortable. If you’re behind you always have a chance to catch up. I hate it.[/quote]And they know, if they want Carr to fold or just simply quit, they merely need to hit him a couple of times. Game over.

[raiderkoch]

[quote=Amish Cabal post_id=1099963]Hate when opposing fans are right.

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[/quote]Gannon, is that you? Hard to beleive that if Gannon could speak this freely, he wouldn't be the one to say exactly this.

I have been supportive and (mostly) hopeful with Carr, but he simply is not cutting it. Blaming "other people", not cutting it either. Call them out, lift them up, get hypnotherapy to get pocket awareness, whatever...get it done. You're paid as a leader to do that. That's why I'm thinking the tank may be on, and Levis may be our next QB. Total fresh start...

[Sold My Soul]

According to ESPN’s Dan Graziano, the Raiders could consider releasing Carr during the offseason in order to avoid paying the final three years of his contract. This would be an easy transition, as Carr’s contract features zero future guaranteed money.

The Raiders have a short window to make up their mind, as Carr has a $7.5 million bonus that is guaranteed as long as he’s still on the roster three days after Super Bowl LVII. While cutting him altogether would incur a $5 million cap penalty no matter what, that’s a small amount if the Raiders already have other ideas at the QB position.

[HesterLayes]

[quote=Sold My Soul post_id=1100038]According to ESPN’s Dan Graziano, the Raiders could consider releasing Carr during the offseason in order to avoid paying the final three years of his contract. This would be an easy transition, as Carr’s contract features zero future guaranteed money.

The Raiders have a short window to make up their mind, as Carr has a $7.5 million bonus that is guaranteed as long as he’s still on the roster three days after Super Bowl LVII. While cutting him altogether would incur a $5 million cap penalty no matter what, that’s a small amount if the Raiders already have other ideas at the QB position.[/quote]Yep.Many of us have been saying that.

[Atlasffa]

[quote=HesterLayes post_id=1099960]Not saying you’re wrong,but I think that would be the wrong move.We need to get from under that contract and next year is the window.[/quote]The timing is right in terms of the contract, but I'm not yet convinced the timing is right for the QB talent available in the top tier of the draft. Lots of draft gurus out there saying they think the 2024 QBs will offer better players. What do we have in Stidham--can he be a one-year bridge? Will there be any worthwhile QB free agents next year? There is still lots of college ball left, maybe someone will clearly stand out above the rest. So many variables. QB hell sucks.

[HesterLayes]

[quote=Atlasffa post_id=1100077]The timing is right in terms of the contract, but I'm not yet convinced the timing is right for the QB talent available in the top tier of the draft. Lots of draft gurus out there saying they think the 2024 QBs will offer better players. What do we have in Stidham--can he be a one-year bridge? Will there be any worthwhile QB free agents next year? There is still lots of college ball left, maybe someone will clearly stand out above the rest. So many variables. QB hell sucks.[/quote]The whole point of getting rid of Carr is to quit paying a mid QB 30-40 mil and use that money on the rest of the team.I don’t think keeping him next year as a bridge QB Is financially smart. You could get three to four defensive guys with that money.

I’m not sure if they would use Stidham as a bridge.If not they could get a Hoyer or Brissett for super cheap.

Let’s be honest,bridge guys don’t hardly exist anymore.If they do play it’s not like it will be the whole season.

Throw the rook in and use that damn money.

[Archaic]

Carr is done. I say bench him (or release him from the team) now and see what Stidham can do for the next 7 games. This way the Raiders will know whether Stidham is skilled enough to be the 2023 starter.

[VEfreak]

[quote=Sold My Soul post_id=1100038]According to ESPN’s Dan Graziano, the Raiders could consider releasing Carr during the offseason in order to avoid paying the final three years of his contract. This would be an easy transition, as Carr’s contract features zero future guaranteed money.

The Raiders have a short window to make up their mind, as Carr has a $7.5 million bonus that is guaranteed as long as he’s still on the roster three days after Super Bowl LVII. While cutting him altogether would incur a $5 million cap penalty no matter what, that’s a small amount if the Raiders already have other ideas at the QB position.[/quote]Don’t do that. Don’t make me hope.

[Sold My Soul]

[quote=VEfreak post_id=1100116]Don’t do that. Don’t make me hope.[/quote]Sorry Freak.....



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[VEfreak]

[quote=Sold My Soul post_id=1100152]Sorry Freak.....



As long as I've known the Freak brothers, they never mention you. Are you related to Fabulous Freak Brothers.......?



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I love these guys....anyone here read the comic books?[/quote]Never heard of it before now but it looks interesting. I’ll check it out.

VEfreak comes from back in my high school days. I had a 92’ dodge Cummins 4x4, and that engine was powered by the VE44 mechanical fuel pump. I used to frequent certain diesel forums and that was the handle I came up with. That pre-dated my first account on the old forum for a few years.