Kirk Cousins (Traded to Vikings)

[Reno Hightower]

I have rarely seen a QB do more with less. Kubiak has made it clear that he is the guy this year but his play has really defied conventional wisdom. The run blocking is as putrid as it was last season. The pass blocking has been getting compliments but how much as that has to do with Cousins's pocket presence and pre snap reads?

I am not sure the subject deserves its own thread but I think what he has accomplished this season cannot be overstated and he has essentially put the offense on his back. I don't think anyone saw this coming.

Thoughts?...

[Cruisin with Tooz]

Maybe Vikings were stuck on a 4th with conditions to become a 3rd. We have no idea how negotiations went.

Pick 96 is the upgrade? Youre saying Minnesota wanted something like pick ~118 for KC if Minn doesnt make the post season and upgraded to pick 96 assuming that KC brings a SB win? That doesnt add up for me. Minnesota probably wouldnt make the playoffs with Wentz. Trading them the guy that takes them from a nonplayoff team to a SB winner is worth far more than pick 96. I suspect every one on this site would give away much more than pick 96 every single year for a SB appearance.

[DanKD]

Pick 96 is the upgrade? Youre saying Minnesota wanted something like pick ~118 for KC if Minn doesnt make the post season and upgraded to pick 96 assuming that KC brings a SB win? That doesnt add up for me. Minnesota probably wouldnt make the playoffs with Wentz. Trading them the guy that takes them from a nonplayoff team to a SB winner is worth far more than pick 96. I suspect every one on this site would give away much more than pick 96 every single year for a SB appearance.

We traded them 38 year old Kirk Cousins, not Josh Allen. This helps them and I hope Kirk does well but theres no guarantee this does anything for them in regards to the superbowl

[GoodTimeCharlie]

Interesting…

[LayneStaley]

If Cousins wants to come ride the pine for the Mendoza Dynasty and is willing to do it dirt cheap I’d be thrilled to have him back. I really don’t think his game is about athleticism, it’s the intangibles he brings.

[chucker]

The Vikings were going nowhere with Wentz and the midget. They are more likely to go somewhere with Cousins but does anyone really believe they're getting it done with Cousins and his slow feet and noodle arm? Is it that hard to believe that they simply would not have paid more than a third for a 38 year old with the worst physical skillset of any NFL starter - who they already moved on from once?

Hold out for a 2, and there's a damn good chance you get nothing at all.

[Attyla]

The Vikings were going nowhere with Wentz and the midget. They are more likely to go somewhere with Cousins but does anyone really believe they're getting it done with Cousins and his slow feet and noodle arm? Is it that hard to believe that they simply would not have paid more than a third for a 38 year old with the worst physical skillset of any NFL starter - who they already moved on from once?

Hold out for a 2, and there's a damn good chance you get nothing at all.

Had there been a bidding war, I doubt anyone would have offered more than a top level 3.

[chucker]

If Cousins wants to come ride the pine for the Mendoza Dynasty and is willing to do it dirt cheap I’d be thrilled to have him back. I really don’t think his game is about athleticism, it’s the intangibles he brings.

Cousins doesn't do anything dirt cheap. If he plays half decent the rest of the year then he'll be a starter somewhere next year and probably get at least $30 million to do it.

[Willmark]

The Vikings were going nowhere with Wentz and the midget. They are more likely to go somewhere with Cousins but does anyone really believe they're getting it done with Cousins and his slow feet and noodle arm? Is it that hard to believe that they simply would not have paid more than a third for a 38 year old with the worst physical skillset of any NFL starter - who they already moved on from once?

Hold out for a 2, and there's a damn good chance you get nothing at all.

It’s possible they don’t end up trading with the Raiders but they had to do something especially after Monday night.

They also didn’t have a lot of options that moved the needle and couldn’t stay with what they have. What were the other options? Whatever one thinks of Jones that was about the only other option they had.

And starting a 5th and getting to a 3rd? Thats good but how good? We’ll never know for sure.

In the end we got something and cleared 10 million. That alone is good. But the Vikes were not negotiating from a position of strength IMO.

[BoKnows81]

The Vikings were going nowhere with Wentz and the midget. They are more likely to go somewhere with Cousins but does anyone really believe they're getting it done with Cousins and his slow feet and noodle arm? Is it that hard to believe that they simply would not have paid more than a third for a 38 year old with the worst physical skillset of any NFL starter - who they already moved on from once?

Hold out for a 2, and there's a damn good chance you get nothing at all.

I'm not so sure about that. If the Raiders had a top 2 defense, we'd likely be 7-2 or 6-3, and that's with a gauntlet of a schedule. The Vikings are 6-2 now and IMO adding Cousins alone gives them at least 5-6 more wins. That defense will be tough in the playoffs and there's zero reason why they cant make a run to the superbowl now. Without him, they stood no chance.

Again, happy with the trade but it's not against the law to admit we didnt get max value from a desperate team in a superbowl window. Not to mention the Vikings could still keep him next year, so it isnt necessarily a 1 year rental.

[Reno Hightower]

I'm not so sure about that. If the Raiders had a top 2 defense, we'd likely be 7-2 or 6-3, and that's with a gauntlet of a schedule. The Vikings are 6-2 now and IMO adding Cousins alone gives them at least 5-6 more wins. That defense will be tough in the playoffs and there's zero reason why they cant make a run to the superbowl.

Again, happy with the trade but it's not against the law to admit we didnt get max value from a desperate team in a superbowl window.

The Vikings are also replenishing the soda machine in the locker room for the year. I also hear that Mark got a PF Changs gift card.

[mstrbass2000]

i think this trade for the vikings put em in the super bowl hunt, for the raiders it gives em an xtra 3rd rd pick and mobility to move up and and down the board to fill more holes and add quality depth plus dont forget the xtra 10 million in cap room to add free agent/agents

[BoKnows81]

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootba ... round-pick

[Hellbound]

The Vikings were going nowhere with Wentz and the midget. They are more likely to go somewhere with Cousins but does anyone really believe they're getting it done with Cousins and his slow feet and noodle arm? Is it that hard to believe that they simply would not have paid more than a third for a 38 year old with the worst physical skillset of any NFL starter - who they already moved on from once?

Hold out for a 2, and there's a damn good chance you get nothing at all.

Agreed 100% everyone pointed out his weaknesses every week. You don't think other coaches and gms saw the same things? Add in his age and he's a rental, and a 10 million payment, he really doesn't have much value. I also don't think he puts them over the top. He gives them solid play but in no way is a difference maker

[Hellbound]

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootba ... round-pick

Of course a divisional foe hc is going to be salty that another team in the division improved

[chucker]

I'm not so sure about that. If the Raiders had a top 2 defense, we'd likely be 7-2 or 6-3, and that's with a gauntlet of a schedule. The Vikings are 6-2 now and IMO adding Cousins alone gives them at least 5-6 more wins. That defense will be tough in the playoffs and there's zero reason why they cant make a run to the superbowl now. Without him, they stood no chance.

Again, happy with the trade but it's not against the law to admit we didnt get max value from a desperate team in a superbowl window. Not to mention the Vikings could still keep him next year, so it isnt necessarily a 1 year rental.

Is it possible that we could have squeezed out more value? Sure. Is it also possible that we got max value that the one team looking to trade for a starting QB was willing to give? Sure. Cousins just isn't all that good, even if he was better this year than what most of us thought he would be.