Kirk Cousins

[Reno Hightower]

I have rarely seen a QB do more with less. Kubiak has made it clear that he is the guy this year but his play has really defied conventional wisdom. The run blocking is as putrid as it was last season. The pass blocking has been getting compliments but how much as that has to do with Cousins's pocket presence and pre snap reads?

I am not sure the subject deserves its own thread but I think what he has accomplished this season cannot be overstated and he has essentially put the offense on his back. I don't think anyone saw this coming.

Thoughts?...

[Oaktownonly]

Shouldn't take too much to make both teams happy. They need Cousin's and we could always use more picks. Make a deal. Let Mendoza's career get started and let Kirk play for a ring.

[Coach dd 11]

Before the day is over:

Miller = Gone, trade
JPJ = Gone, trade
Cousins = Gone, trade
Crosby = Gone, trade
Stokes = Gone, trade

Burford = Cut
Pola-Mao = Cut
Leonard = FIRED

[FLORIDARAYDAH]

Before the day is over:

Miller = Gone, trade
JPJ = Gone, trade
Cousins = Gone, trade
Crosby = Gone, trade
Stokes = Gone, trade

Burford = Cut
Pola-Mao = Cut
Leonard = FIRED

Um OK? Some day but not today.

[UC__]

Before the day is over:

Miller = Gone, trade
JPJ = Gone, trade
Cousins = Gone, trade
Crosby = Gone, trade
Stokes = Gone, trade

Burford = Cut
Pola-Mao = Cut
Leonard = FIRED

Leeroy Jenkins

[Attyla]

Um OK? Some day but not today.

Drugs are a helluva thing

[raiderjohn]

Before the day is over:

Miller = Gone, trade
JPJ = Gone, trade
Cousins = Gone, trade
Crosby = Gone, trade
Stokes = Gone, trade

Burford = Cut
Pola-Mao = Cut
Leonard = FIRED

Not sure who's left on the 53, we're going to have to call on some of us board members to suit up.

[Cruisin with Tooz]

T-minus 180 minutes and counting.

This will be gravely disappointing if we dont move either, or preferably both of, KC and Crosby. After watching last night's Wentz futility and their season going down in flames, plus what other trades have yielded, I think Minnesota's 2nd is a bit too low, but I dont think we get their 1st straight up. It would have to be something like their 1st for KC+our 3rd, or KC for their 2nd and best 3rd round pick.

[Coach dd 11]

Not sure who's left on the 53, we're going to have to call on some of us board members to suit up.

LOL, I'd agree with that, but not the overall point.
Those guys should not be in the long term plans for the TEAM (except possibly Crosby).
Yet by the time we are actually good and have a complete roster build up it'll be 2 more years.
We are NOT making the playoffs this year and for those who think we can, you're delusional.
So the argument to start Mendoza to get him reps should apply to the others who are on the team. Then we get what we can for the older vets and save cap money to replace them.
Now cutting Burford and Palo-Mao and firing Leonard is just me taking a swipe at those players and coaches I don't personally like.

Miller's play has not been as good and he won't "improve" in the upcoming years. JPJ is clearly not in their favor and not playing so we should get what we can. The argument for Cousins is obvious as he won't be retained and we should give him a shot at a team if they call. Stokes is the only other piece of value I wouldn't keep moving forward and I'd try to get a pick out of him too that would allow McCoy and Masses and Luter more time.

I'd like to see Miller on a good team, Crosby too and have a shot to win, Cousins too for what he's done in his short time here. But again, they would all provide valuable cap space to the team and added picks to give the GM power to move and target guys in the upcoming draft and capital to target key free agents. That in my opinion, is what is best for this TEAM in the long run. While a life-long fan, I can wait one more year to start being "good" and making the playoffs.

[Cruisin with Tooz]

Well, you would need those OL players for the rest of this year for Mendoza's sake. Its Kirk and Crosby who are expendable now.

[SkullCrusher]

I feel this comes down to Brady and his Mendoza plan, which both Clink and Spy will be on that same page to.

If Brady still wants Mendoza to go through a specific program and that doesn't include playing right now, there's no way past that.
We don't know.

Less a ridiculous haul for Kirk.

[ALLRAIDERWORLD21]

Drugs are a helluva thing

[ALLRAIDERWORLD21]

LOL, I'd agree with that, but not the overall point.
Those guys should not be in the long term plans for the TEAM (except possibly Crosby).
Yet by the time we are actually good and have a complete roster build up it'll be 2 more years.
We are NOT making the playoffs this year and for those who think we can, you're delusional.
So the argument to start Mendoza to get him reps should apply to the others who are on the team. Then we get what we can for the older vets and save cap money to replace them.
Now cutting Burford and Palo-Mao and firing Leonard is just me taking a swipe at those players and coaches I don't personally like.

Miller's play has not been as good and he won't "improve" in the upcoming years. JPJ is clearly not in their favor and not playing so we should get what we can. The argument for Cousins is obvious as he won't be retained and we should give him a shot at a team if they call. Stokes is the only other piece of value I wouldn't keep moving forward and I'd try to get a pick out of him too that would allow McCoy and Masses and Luter more time.

I'd like to see Miller on a good team, Crosby too and have a shot to win, Cousins too for what he's done in his short time here. But again, they would all provide valuable cap space to the team and added picks to give the GM power to move and target guys in the upcoming draft and capital to target key free agents. That in my opinion, is what is best for this TEAM in the long run. While a life-long fan, I can wait one more year to start being "good" and making the playoffs.

I got love for both Miller and Crosby but if Miami offered me two first rounders for each of them, they're would be one way tickets to South Beach in each of their lockers. It's about improving Raiders future first and foremost.

That said, this will never happen. A SB contender would be buying at this time and I'd gladly ship both to a playoff contending team, not named KC, if the compensation was right. But I'm not giving anyone away. We're not the farm team anymore..you want some of the Raiders talent to make a push..you gots to pay.. Minnesota

[Coach dd 11]

I'd trade Miller to KC in a heartbeat for the right price/package!

[WNYRAIDER]

....I actually hung out with him and his gang one night, though he was pretty normal....didn't see him partake in any of the shenanigans....

[WNYRAIDER]

Well, you would need those OL players for the rest of this year for Mendoza's sake. Its Kirk and Crosby who are expendable now.

....supposedly, sheffter just said that Minnesota is keyed in now on trying to make the trade for Kirk, based on my NFL channel background noise....