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RunOverByHubbard wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2026 7:42 am I will admit to driving drunk a couple of times when I was in high school. But I took the wheel away from friends who were smashed. And I drove like a little old lady to make sure I got us home. I wanted to see life down the road and realized that recklessness was dumb. I knew my limits and booze did not make me think I was invulnerable. But I did drive drunk. One of my friends hit I think it was four parked cars driving drunk in college. They caught up to him the next day. He didn’t suffer any consequences however as his father, a doctor, somehow got him out of it. No arrest.
Most of us that drove in the 70s 80s and early 90s are guilty. It was socially acceptable for the most part until maybe the mid 90s.

Just a thought but in the 80s I drove a couple of cars over 100mph and it was rather exciting. The cars shook and floated and you could feel the speed.

Fast forward to today and I drive a 2019 Ram 3400 4x4 turbo diesel. Driving from North Idaho to California I sometimes have to pass a few 18 wheelers on 2 lane highways. Not uncommon to look at my speed and see that I am sometimes doing 110mph when passing. Feels like I’m walking on kittens it’s so smooth.

My point being, 150mph in a modern day Corvette likely doesn’t feel like doing even 75mph in a 1987 Camaro.

Emphasis: I’m not condoning or excusing Ruggs driving drunk at all…….but the shock of 150mph needs to be considered in context a tiny bit.

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raider_kin wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2026 5:49 pm I drove so drunk a few times I don't even remember driving home. Just woke up the next morning and thought: what?
Same here, in my twenties like most of us when we thought we were indestructible and invulnerable to consequences. I was at a friend of a friends bachelor party at a hotel in Rancho Cordova off sunrise, got so wasted on booze and illegals that a few days later my friends told me I had been in the hotel security room about to get arrested. Luckily my friend was throwing the party and was a best friend of the hotel security chief so he got me out of it. The worst part was I do not remember how I got home that night to my apartment in Carmichael. When I woke up the front door was open and there was a trail of clothes into my bedroom. Somehow I drove and parked and made it all the way home without killing myself or anyone else.

I never partied like that again. Blackout drunk, stoned is/was too much. Never wanted that feeling again of I could have hurt/killed someone without having a conscience thought at that moment.
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DanKD wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2026 7:23 pm Im glad nothing happened. I've certainly been drunk plenty of times but not once driven. Its selfish and wrong, with no wiggle room. Seriously just make a plan, call an uber, etc...

Edit to add, Im not condeming anyone who has made a bad decision about driving intoxicated but it needs to be labeled a bad decision that is strived to not repeat, not made light of or brag about it.
Zactly. Good post.
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Xramfan wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2026 10:32 pm Most of us that drove in the 70s 80s and early 90s are guilty. It was socially acceptable for the most part until maybe the mid 90s.

Just a thought but in the 80s I drove a couple of cars over 100mph and it was rather exciting. The cars shook and floated and you could feel the speed.

Fast forward to today and I drive a 2019 Ram 3400 4x4 turbo diesel. Driving from North Idaho to California I sometimes have to pass a few 18 wheelers on 2 lane highways. Not uncommon to look at my speed and see that I am sometimes doing 110mph when passing. Feels like I’m walking on kittens it’s so smooth.

My point being, 150mph in a modern day Corvette likely doesn’t feel like doing even 75mph in a 1987 Camaro.

Emphasis: I’m not condoning or excusing Ruggs driving drunk at all…….but the shock of 150mph needs to be considered in context a tiny bit.

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It's easy to get over 100mph on a rural highway. Ruggs was on city streets and that's a whole different ball game.

I'm damn lucky as I drove drunk may times in my youth. Last time was near blackout drunk in my early 20's and I kind of scared myself. Late 70s / early 80s and incredibly stupid then or any time.
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raider_kin wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2026 5:49 pm I drove so drunk a few times I don't even remember driving home. Just woke up the next morning and thought: what?
been there, done that ...partied all night and drove my buddy to the airport at 4 am...all were wasted as he went to the coast guard...dont know how we got there but we got there and afterwards denny's for breakfast and coffee
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DanKD wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2026 7:23 pm Im glad nothing happened. I've certainly been drunk plenty of times but not once driven. Its selfish and wrong, with no wiggle room. Seriously just make a plan, call an uber, etc...

Edit to add, Im not condeming anyone who has made a bad decision about driving intoxicated but it needs to be labeled a bad decision that is strived to not repeat, not made light of or brag about it.
i dont see it as bragging at all, its just a recount of stupid shit we did when we were younger...thank god most of us never got busted or crashed ...these days there is no excuse for driving drunk with uber,lyft around everyones got the apps
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Xramfan wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2026 10:32 pm Most of us that drove in the 70s 80s and early 90s are guilty. It was socially acceptable for the most part until maybe the mid 90s.
It depends on the outcome. Killing was still manslaughter and is always socially not acceptable.

For not harmful DUI's, yep it has changed.

People knew it wasn't the right thing to do in the 70's. Did many still do it? Yes.

There are a ton of people leaving breweries and wineries today.
People know it's not the right thing to do but do many still do it? Yes.
Plenty of people drinking and driving all the time today, outside of even breweries and wineries.
The amount of alcohol consumed has changed though.

The breathalyzer was the game changer for proof and that was in the 70's.
Then MADD in the 80's.

I found this interesting...

Prompt:
By decade starting with 1950 to 2020, on a scale of 1 to 10 the penalties for drinking and driving, 1 low severity 10 high severity

(Reading the response, they are going with non-violent outcomes, just getting caught in the act)

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Over the last 70 years, drinking and driving penalties have surged from minor infractions into severe, multifaceted criminal charges. The historical timeline below demonstrates this massive societal shift.

1950s: Severity Rating 1/10Landscape: Seen as a "folk crime" with highly subjective enforcement.Penalties: Early chemical tests were just emerging. Arrests were rare, juries were often lenient, and penalties were typically limited to small fines with virtually no license suspension.

1960s: Severity Rating 2/10Landscape: The first scientific BAC thresholds (e.g., 0.15%) were adopted by many jurisdictions.Penalties: Laws were on the books but rarely applied. A first offense was mostly treated as a traffic violation rather than a life-altering criminal matter.

1970s: Severity Rating 3/10Landscape: Scientific testing became widespread with the invention of the breathalyzer. States began to lower the legal BAC limit.Penalties: Fines increased and initial, very short license suspensions were introduced, but jail time was still uncommon for first offenders.

1980s: Severity Rating 5/10Landscape: A major cultural shift driven by advocacy groups like Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD). The federal government pushed states to raise the drinking age to 21.Penalties: The legal limit dropped to 0.10%. Mandatory license suspensions, mandatory fines, and short jail terms for repeat offenders became the standard.

1990s: Severity Rating 7/10Landscape: "Zero tolerance" laws were widely adopted, criminalizing any alcohol in the blood for drivers under 21.Penalties: States federally standardized the legal BAC limit to \(0.08\%\). Administrative license suspension on the spot became standard practice.

2000s: Severity Rating 8/10Landscape: Public and legal attitudes hardened significantly. The stigma of a DUI became a major barrier to employment and background checks.Penalties: Ignition interlock devices (IIDs) began to be mandated even for first-time offenders. Insurance premiums spiked, and long probationary periods were heavily enforced.

2010s: Severity Rating 9/10Landscape: The focus shifted toward technological enforcement and treating repeat offenders with greater scrutiny.Penalties: Ignition interlock laws became heavily enforced and standardized. Hard license suspensions, mandatory alcohol education classes, and thousands of dollars in hidden costs/fines became standard.

2020s: Severity Rating 10/10Landscape: Maximum severity. The modern standard applies highly rigid administrative and criminal penalties, heavily influenced by historical advocacy and modern NHTSA safety goals.Penalties: A first offense carries immediate license suspension, high fines, mandatory IID installation, probation, and potential jail time. Repeat offenses result in felony charges, vehicle forfeiture, and mandatory long-term treatment.
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mstrbass2000 wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2026 7:32 am i dont see it as bragging at all, its just a recount of stupid shit we did when we were younger...thank god most of us never got busted or crashed ...these days there is no excuse for driving drunk with uber,lyft around everyones got the apps
Ummm....got busted, crashed or killed someone. That last bit is probably the omission that matters the most.
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no, "thank god" was
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Attyla wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2026 8:38 am Ummm....got busted, crashed or killed someone. That last bit is probably the omission that matters the most.
thank god was an omission?
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"thank god most of us never got busted or crashed"...these days there is no excuse for driving drunk with uber,lyft around everyone's got the apps
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Well I did all that drinking and driving when I was a teenager and also had quite few bad car accidents in which I was hospitalised….and then I got a DWI around 1980 in which I spent a lot of money to my lawyer and court to stay out of jail….after that; I straightened up…never again
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SuperRaider wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2026 1:50 pm Well I did all that drinking and driving when I was a teenager and also had quite few bad car accidents in which I was hospitalised….and then I got a DWI around 1980 in which I spent a lot of money to my lawyer and court to stay out of jail….after that; I straightened up…never again
Mine was high school late 80s. No tickets no wrecks. But after spending a month in the hospital I quit drinking all together. I was quite the alcoholic before that already. Friends in college and army loved it. They had a designated driver. And I could act like an idiot sober
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