Emo Andy Dalton after a trip to Sephora on Groundhog Day (Carr thread)
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[quote=Opoponax50 post_id=1069032]IMO, this is something QBs have or they don't. It can't be taught.
The all time great QBs are/were able to either see the entire field in a flash of a moment and therefore able see what was going to happen before it happened. Then made the play or they were able to buy time and make something happen----or both. This applies to great pocket passers and improvisers.
It's the greatest intangible; something that can't be measured or predicted. It's something that can't be learned. Put another way, I can study quantum mechanics all I want, but I simply don't have the brain power to understand it.
Carr is what he is. If he had the ability to play like Mahomes, we would have seen it a long time ago.[/quote]I would just add, there is a huge difference between finding a receiver and finding the right receiver. Touchdowns come from the latter, yards from the first.
This is imo, the single most distinctive trait that sets Brady so far above everyone else. If the other team makes a big mistake, he makes them pay for it.
It is also imo one of the the biggest issues that holds Carr and his offense back. See: throwing into triple coverage to end the season.
The all time great QBs are/were able to either see the entire field in a flash of a moment and therefore able see what was going to happen before it happened. Then made the play or they were able to buy time and make something happen----or both. This applies to great pocket passers and improvisers.
It's the greatest intangible; something that can't be measured or predicted. It's something that can't be learned. Put another way, I can study quantum mechanics all I want, but I simply don't have the brain power to understand it.
Carr is what he is. If he had the ability to play like Mahomes, we would have seen it a long time ago.[/quote]I would just add, there is a huge difference between finding a receiver and finding the right receiver. Touchdowns come from the latter, yards from the first.
This is imo, the single most distinctive trait that sets Brady so far above everyone else. If the other team makes a big mistake, he makes them pay for it.
It is also imo one of the the biggest issues that holds Carr and his offense back. See: throwing into triple coverage to end the season.
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[quote=raiders93 post_id=1069047]I almost think with Carr it’s more of a mental thing where he just gets fixated on “execute the playcall”. Especially under Gruden he even outright said it a couple times: as long as I execute the calls the way coach wants I’m good (paraphrasing).
With every QB there’s a balancing act between the safer, mechanical execution and the higher-stakes playmaking. Late in games when we’re trailing there’s tons of examples of carr loosening up a bit and becoming more of a playmaker but that’s about the extent of his balancing act. Mechanical until it is absolutely necessary to make a critical play. Even then it doesn’t always happen.[/quote]Agree that right now it is a "mental" thing that needs to get broken by giving him actual reps that can break that fixation. That can open up another area where he can find success in practice. And it will carry over in game. But because he rarely attempts it....he does not feel comfortable. He merely needs to experience it on a daily basis through reps and experience success doing it....and gain comfort and build chemistry with his WRs...and trust me, he will go about doing it more during games.
With reps comes comfort and with comfort...fear disappears and he will begin to see that a broken play is just another opportunity to rip the D a new one. You can tell him this, but it will not compute....but if he is shown it...if he experiences it....over and over again through reps....trust me...his "mental" barrier will be removed.
With every QB there’s a balancing act between the safer, mechanical execution and the higher-stakes playmaking. Late in games when we’re trailing there’s tons of examples of carr loosening up a bit and becoming more of a playmaker but that’s about the extent of his balancing act. Mechanical until it is absolutely necessary to make a critical play. Even then it doesn’t always happen.[/quote]Agree that right now it is a "mental" thing that needs to get broken by giving him actual reps that can break that fixation. That can open up another area where he can find success in practice. And it will carry over in game. But because he rarely attempts it....he does not feel comfortable. He merely needs to experience it on a daily basis through reps and experience success doing it....and gain comfort and build chemistry with his WRs...and trust me, he will go about doing it more during games.
With reps comes comfort and with comfort...fear disappears and he will begin to see that a broken play is just another opportunity to rip the D a new one. You can tell him this, but it will not compute....but if he is shown it...if he experiences it....over and over again through reps....trust me...his "mental" barrier will be removed.
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Maybe McDaniels is the QB whisperer that Gruden claimed to be.
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[quote=Attyla post_id=1069053]Maybe McDaniels is the QB whisperer that Gruden claimed to be.[/quote]Hope so.
Carr has to take it to another level IF the Raiders are going to be serious contenders.
Carr has to take it to another level IF the Raiders are going to be serious contenders.
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[quote=signal post_id=1069054]Hope so.
Carr has to take it to another level IF the Raiders are going to be serious contenders.[/quote]has to be one of two things, either we score a lot of points even late in the year or we have to control the time of possession. One way allows the defense to play like they have been and the other keeps the defense off the field to keep the numbers down. I just do not see the group we are trotting out there being able to hold their own if they are on the field a lot
Carr has to take it to another level IF the Raiders are going to be serious contenders.[/quote]has to be one of two things, either we score a lot of points even late in the year or we have to control the time of possession. One way allows the defense to play like they have been and the other keeps the defense off the field to keep the numbers down. I just do not see the group we are trotting out there being able to hold their own if they are on the field a lot
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[quote=signal post_id=1069040]We disagree on this point. I do think improvisation can improve. And while it may sound odd I do think processing skills can improve also. It is about getting the right type of reps. And yes, you can create drills to improve improvisation, throwing on the run, scrambling....if you are get a ton of reps at doing just that.
I do think QBs skillsets can improve over time if provided with reps for this type of scenarios but I don' think anyone does.
I think Carr would benefit from a drill like this:
You take most probable end positions for WRs after routes are run for every play. You pick one of those plays and the WRs go to those points on the field. You send the secondary out there....with a man on each WR and you place the rest of the secondary where they would most probably end up given the routes taken. Carr is turned away from this and sees none of it. You also place three DL along the line of scrimmage...anywhere along that line they want to be. Before the drill they decide which one can start chasing after the QB after one second, the next after three seconds and the next after five seconds. Carr also does not know which ones were assigned what time limit.
Drill begins with a whistle and Carr (five yards back of the line scrimmage) turns to see the field and players for the first time and must deliver a pass to that WR that is able to get open.
This drill will make both WRs and Carr have to improvise in order to make a play. And it will make the secondary have to react and respond to the WRs who are trying to get open..
I think this drill would be helpful because there has been times where I see WRs and Carr give up on a play....if the D guessed right and were sitting on it...there seems to be no wish to begin to improvise and STILL make the play. They give up. But Mahommes and Wilson, don't always give up and some of their biggest plays in games are those where the D took away everything ....but then the QB and the WRs began to improvise....and they STILL make the play.
This little drill would get Carr and his WRs a sense that a play is never over....not if you don't quit on it...and if they have a lot of reps...they may even work out some strategies so as to increase their chances to be on the same page as the improvisation is occurring. AND it is in these strategies where it becomes less about mere improvisation and becomes more about technique, and a sort of unwritten game plan when plays break down. It becomes like the second part of any designed play.
I think this sort of drill would cement in Carr and the WRS...that a play is never over...that you never give up ....even if the D closes down the play written....you then go about improvising.
And JUST AS IMPORTANT, it gives the secondary work against a QB and WRs who are improvising to make a play...something they will see in game time....when facing the likes of Mahommes and Wilson. They to will develop technique and further strategies on how best to cover WRs improvising after the called play did not work.[/quote]I believe a quarterback can improve in any attribute. Hell, even hand-size can improve for a short spell. Josh Allen is the poster-child for improvement. He came into the league as a better version of Trubisky and transformed himself into an absolutely “elite” quarterback.
So why can’t Carr?
Dedication and Intelligence. We are entering year 9 with a quarterback who has been a carbon copy of himself year after year. Sometimes we catch some fortunate breaks and Carr lays it all on the line like in 2016. And sometimes the breaks don’t go our way and Carr puts in a decent to good effort for half a season. Like the other 7 years. 2016 was a total outlier. We’ve seen the best that Carr can be, and we will never see that again.
Year f[raiders_icon]cking 9.
Same quarterback. Same Carr. Same small brain. Same small heart. Same damn story.
I do think QBs skillsets can improve over time if provided with reps for this type of scenarios but I don' think anyone does.
I think Carr would benefit from a drill like this:
You take most probable end positions for WRs after routes are run for every play. You pick one of those plays and the WRs go to those points on the field. You send the secondary out there....with a man on each WR and you place the rest of the secondary where they would most probably end up given the routes taken. Carr is turned away from this and sees none of it. You also place three DL along the line of scrimmage...anywhere along that line they want to be. Before the drill they decide which one can start chasing after the QB after one second, the next after three seconds and the next after five seconds. Carr also does not know which ones were assigned what time limit.
Drill begins with a whistle and Carr (five yards back of the line scrimmage) turns to see the field and players for the first time and must deliver a pass to that WR that is able to get open.
This drill will make both WRs and Carr have to improvise in order to make a play. And it will make the secondary have to react and respond to the WRs who are trying to get open..
I think this drill would be helpful because there has been times where I see WRs and Carr give up on a play....if the D guessed right and were sitting on it...there seems to be no wish to begin to improvise and STILL make the play. They give up. But Mahommes and Wilson, don't always give up and some of their biggest plays in games are those where the D took away everything ....but then the QB and the WRs began to improvise....and they STILL make the play.
This little drill would get Carr and his WRs a sense that a play is never over....not if you don't quit on it...and if they have a lot of reps...they may even work out some strategies so as to increase their chances to be on the same page as the improvisation is occurring. AND it is in these strategies where it becomes less about mere improvisation and becomes more about technique, and a sort of unwritten game plan when plays break down. It becomes like the second part of any designed play.
I think this sort of drill would cement in Carr and the WRS...that a play is never over...that you never give up ....even if the D closes down the play written....you then go about improvising.
And JUST AS IMPORTANT, it gives the secondary work against a QB and WRs who are improvising to make a play...something they will see in game time....when facing the likes of Mahommes and Wilson. They to will develop technique and further strategies on how best to cover WRs improvising after the called play did not work.[/quote]I believe a quarterback can improve in any attribute. Hell, even hand-size can improve for a short spell. Josh Allen is the poster-child for improvement. He came into the league as a better version of Trubisky and transformed himself into an absolutely “elite” quarterback.
So why can’t Carr?
Dedication and Intelligence. We are entering year 9 with a quarterback who has been a carbon copy of himself year after year. Sometimes we catch some fortunate breaks and Carr lays it all on the line like in 2016. And sometimes the breaks don’t go our way and Carr puts in a decent to good effort for half a season. Like the other 7 years. 2016 was a total outlier. We’ve seen the best that Carr can be, and we will never see that again.
Year f[raiders_icon]cking 9.
Same quarterback. Same Carr. Same small brain. Same small heart. Same damn story.
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[quote=GoodTimeCharlie post_id=1069056]I believe a quarterback can improve in any attribute. Hell, even hand-size can improve for a short spell. Josh Allen is the poster-child for improvement. He came into the league as a better version of Trubisky and transformed himself into an absolutely “elite” quarterback.
So why can’t Carr?
Dedication and Intelligence. We are entering year 9 with a quarterback who has been a carbon copy of himself year after year. Sometimes we catch some fortunate breaks and Carr lays it all on the line like in 2016. And sometimes the breaks don’t go our way and Carr puts in a decent to good effort for half a season. Like the other 7 years. 2016 was a total outlier. We’ve seen the best that Carr can be, and we will never see that again.
Year f[raiders_icon]cking 9.
Same quarterback. Same Carr. Same small brain. Same small heart. Same damn story.[/quote]I hear you. And for the most part, that is exactly where I am with Carr. BUT, this new regime does have me excited and am just hoping that they find a way to unlock something different from Carr.
I do know it is that time of the year....boring time of the year...where I tend to drink the Kool-aid and well, I was thinking damn, I wonder if the coaches could come up with some new drills to unlock something in Carr so that he could take it to another level. I do think that some QBs find their way later in their careers and well, the Kool-aid has me hoping that maybe just maybe that could be the case for Carr.
But, trust me, I recognize the fact that the same old Carr is not going to get the Raiders to the promised land. But damn, hope has me thinking that there is a possibility that Josh can unlock something new in Carr....something we have not seen before.
So why can’t Carr?
Dedication and Intelligence. We are entering year 9 with a quarterback who has been a carbon copy of himself year after year. Sometimes we catch some fortunate breaks and Carr lays it all on the line like in 2016. And sometimes the breaks don’t go our way and Carr puts in a decent to good effort for half a season. Like the other 7 years. 2016 was a total outlier. We’ve seen the best that Carr can be, and we will never see that again.
Year f[raiders_icon]cking 9.
Same quarterback. Same Carr. Same small brain. Same small heart. Same damn story.[/quote]I hear you. And for the most part, that is exactly where I am with Carr. BUT, this new regime does have me excited and am just hoping that they find a way to unlock something different from Carr.
I do know it is that time of the year....boring time of the year...where I tend to drink the Kool-aid and well, I was thinking damn, I wonder if the coaches could come up with some new drills to unlock something in Carr so that he could take it to another level. I do think that some QBs find their way later in their careers and well, the Kool-aid has me hoping that maybe just maybe that could be the case for Carr.
But, trust me, I recognize the fact that the same old Carr is not going to get the Raiders to the promised land. But damn, hope has me thinking that there is a possibility that Josh can unlock something new in Carr....something we have not seen before.
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[quote=signal post_id=1069040]We disagree on this point. I do think improvisation can improve. And while it may sound odd I do think processing skills can improve also. It is about getting the right type of reps. And yes, you can create drills to improve improvisation, throwing on the run, scrambling....if you are get a ton of reps at doing just that.
I do think QBs skillsets can improve over time if provided with reps for this type of scenarios but I don' think anyone does. [/quote]After 9 years, nothing's changing. The last time I remember an almost pure pocket passer suddenly go to an improvising QB who began making plays on the fly is never.
I do think QBs skillsets can improve over time if provided with reps for this type of scenarios but I don' think anyone does. [/quote]After 9 years, nothing's changing. The last time I remember an almost pure pocket passer suddenly go to an improvising QB who began making plays on the fly is never.
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[quote=Opoponax50 post_id=1069032]IMO, this is something QBs have or they don't. It can't be taught.
The all time great QBs are/were able to either see the entire field in a flash of a moment and therefore able see what was going to happen before it happened. Then made the play or they were able to buy time and make something happen----or both. This applies to great pocket passers and improvisers.
It's the greatest intangible; something that can't be measured or predicted. It's something that can't be learned.
Carr is what he is. If he had the ability to play like Mahomes, we would have seen it a long time ago.[/quote]I'm not sure it can't be learned, if you have an understanding of how it works. I can't say that I absolutely do, but I think I've got a pretty good guess. Sports often happen way too fast to actively process information, actions have to be instantaneous reactions. Essentially, it is the difference between analog and digital processing, and different parts of the brain are involved.
I think athletes can learn how to change this processing. I was always a crappy basketball player, and I always tried to think my way through plays. One day in college, I had been awake for close to 48 hours during finals, and my roommates dragged me out to the pickup games. I was way too tired to actively process anything and I found myself making plays that I didn't really know how they occurred - and, it was by far the best I had ever played. I kind of figured out what happened and learned how to shut down my active processing when I played and just trust my instincts. This instantaneously made me a much better player.
The all time great QBs are/were able to either see the entire field in a flash of a moment and therefore able see what was going to happen before it happened. Then made the play or they were able to buy time and make something happen----or both. This applies to great pocket passers and improvisers.
It's the greatest intangible; something that can't be measured or predicted. It's something that can't be learned.
Carr is what he is. If he had the ability to play like Mahomes, we would have seen it a long time ago.[/quote]I'm not sure it can't be learned, if you have an understanding of how it works. I can't say that I absolutely do, but I think I've got a pretty good guess. Sports often happen way too fast to actively process information, actions have to be instantaneous reactions. Essentially, it is the difference between analog and digital processing, and different parts of the brain are involved.
I think athletes can learn how to change this processing. I was always a crappy basketball player, and I always tried to think my way through plays. One day in college, I had been awake for close to 48 hours during finals, and my roommates dragged me out to the pickup games. I was way too tired to actively process anything and I found myself making plays that I didn't really know how they occurred - and, it was by far the best I had ever played. I kind of figured out what happened and learned how to shut down my active processing when I played and just trust my instincts. This instantaneously made me a much better player.
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[quote=signal post_id=1069057]... hope has me thinking that there is a possibility that Josh can unlock something new in Carr....something we have not seen before.[/quote]I'm thinking this may POSSIBLY be accomplished if Josh gets in his face and pisses him off before every game. Carr's over the top fear of contact is an issue, IMO the biggest cause of him giving up on plays early as he does. Pissing him off might mitigate that fear a bit, IDK.
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[quote=Opoponax50 post_id=1069032]Put another way, I can study quantum mechanics all I want, but I simply don't have the brain power to understand it. [/quote]WTF, I'll take a shot at this, too. I'm no expert at quantum physics either, but there is one fundamental concept that goes a very long way to understanding how this works.
If you put your finger randomly lightly over a guitar string and pluck it, you don't get a note. This is because it produces waves through the string of random lengths that interfere with each other to cancel out the wave function. Peaks interfere with troughs, etc. But, if you place it lightly at specific intervals (1/2, 1/3, 1/4, 1/5, etc. of the string length) you will produce a note called a harmonic. This is because the waves in the string will be of those specific lengths, they will not cancel each other out, and you produce a standing wave.
Matter at its smallest level is waves of electromagnetic radiation. When these waves are in phase with each other, there is a standing wave (harmonic) and there will be matter. If they are not in phase, there will be destructive wave interference, the wave function collapses, and there is nothing that can be recognized as matter.
If you put your finger randomly lightly over a guitar string and pluck it, you don't get a note. This is because it produces waves through the string of random lengths that interfere with each other to cancel out the wave function. Peaks interfere with troughs, etc. But, if you place it lightly at specific intervals (1/2, 1/3, 1/4, 1/5, etc. of the string length) you will produce a note called a harmonic. This is because the waves in the string will be of those specific lengths, they will not cancel each other out, and you produce a standing wave.
Matter at its smallest level is waves of electromagnetic radiation. When these waves are in phase with each other, there is a standing wave (harmonic) and there will be matter. If they are not in phase, there will be destructive wave interference, the wave function collapses, and there is nothing that can be recognized as matter.
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[quote=Amish Cabal post_id=1069063]I'm thinking this may POSSIBLY be accomplished if Josh gets in his face and pisses him off before every game. Carr's over the top fear of contact is an issue, IMO the biggest cause of him giving up on plays early as he does. Pissing him off might mitigate that fear a bit, IDK.[/quote]He has worked with the best so it wont take Josh long to figure out if Carr is real or fake. I hope he doesnt have patience with him either like every other ex coach weve had since he was drafted. Carr is an absolute coach career killer.
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[quote=RaiderandBulldog post_id=1069325]He seems confident
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWY8zDeJArs[/quote]I want to see that confidence in the red zone and not only when he is wearing red.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWY8zDeJArs[/quote]I want to see that confidence in the red zone and not only when he is wearing red.